Off-Topic Forum

Ryan, you're spot on. Right now it's Washington that's at the forefront, tomorrow who knows what extrapolations will be unearthed and deemed inappropriate and who will be targeted. 

Xanadude, I hope the children's chorus will remain as a reminder that while there are distinguishing features on all of us, none are superior to any other, and all matter. It's interesting to me that the Hebrew word used in Genesis to describe the first man, Adam - that's the word, means ruddy, which is a reddish color.

Budler and ranfordfan don't allow yourself to be cancelled by those who think differently. Once that happens, then we all need to just pack it in. We can disagree civilly - and I believe that's happened on this thread. It's a very volatile topic, but without public discourse - and our American politicians on both sides have lost this ideal - mutually beneficial compromises cannot be attained.

RJ, you reminded me that I have on display in my home office a player that wore #2 on his football jersey. He's part of my Greatest Jersey Numbers display for football, baseball, and basketball. It's Jim Thorpe. I'd forgotten how influential and iconic a player he was. I read his biography several times as a youth. Thanks for reminding me of him.

YES YES YES ......................... vrooomed my friend that is EXACTLY what I mean. Thank you. =)

Quoting the article.

One thing that is clear is that several months before July 1933, Marshall had decided that he was going to bring “Indian football” back to the National Football League.

along with other things in the article you can see where the name came from. Yes, it is unclear we can't ask him. But connect the dots it's not that hard to understand. Interesting cherry-pick you did from the article.

if people have been complaining about the name for 60 years? Odd I don't remember any of that in the 70's it is also strange that if so many people have been complaining about it for so long, why do they fill the stadium they play in. it had the largest seating capacity in the NFL at over 91,000. count all the fans watching on tv. You see way more don't see it as a problem compared to the few complaining. 

the term "Redskin" as derogatory.  So what. I would think you know the song Yankee doodle. But don't know why you know it and why we sing it. We all know this song because the British use to call Americans Yankee doodle. Dödel, meaning "fool" or "simpleton. We sing the song to through it back at them to show them their words can't hurt us.   

Just like the nursery rhyme sticks and stones. I don't care to go on. You get my point.

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except you dont really get to say "so what" to someone else's pain, do you?  so what to your lack of pain over Yankee, or was it doodle, not sure now... fine. If that one is directed at or derogatory to you. However, I know that there has been discussion about the Washington team name for years. I dont know about 60 years but over 20 that I have been aware of. 

If the history of indigenous people in the US is similar to Canada and I know that it is, then to continue a slur, intentioned or not, I dont think we should just say "so what" to that. we should have careful dialogue. 

maybe your parent or grandparent used the "n" word. they didnt really mean anything by it. it was just cultural and they were sweet people who were friendly toward all races. their use of the word didnt say much about them really, but it said a lot about the culture they were raised and lived in. They were oblivious to the attitude that society had toward black people. I think the same applies here. 

Well said Ron, in society things change, its the ones younger than us who make cultural change not the elders thats for sure. Well for the most part as i would not know percentages. I giggled and rolld my eyes when the indians, natives, etc asked for us to call them Indiginouus Peoples because it was a term they felt was a respectful and warranted term for them. I dont giggle and roll my eyes anymore, why I have children who have been taught that this is just simply a better way to describe the Cree, the Dene, the Iriqois (pardon my spelling) ......... life changes and its not stopping. I'm 48 and proud that it is, I now know why I never liked history class to begin with and always got in arguments with my teacher. I think deep down I knew that that history may not have been the whole story. Kind of like that old radio bit that that guy did "The other side of the Story" or something like that, that would make you go OH!!!

For those those of you who don't recall anyone complaining about the name in the '70's, here's some education for you (the article refers to Stanford University and its former Indian mascot):

Excerpt from https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Stanford_Cardinal,

On November 25, 1930, following a unanimous vote by the Executive Committee for the Associated Students, the athletic department adopted the mascot "Indian". A few months after the football team's second straight win in the Rose Bowl in January 1972, the Indian symbol and name were dropped by President Richard Lyman,[4] after objections from Native American students and a vote by the student senate.

From 1972 to 1981, the official nickname returned to "Cardinals," a reference to the color, not the bird.

Your welcome!

I think we have gone away from what the OP asked.  Are you for or against companies not selling stuff with the Redskin name on it.   They have the right to do it unless it is against the law or their contract.    I have no issues ether way I will keep collecting any Husker on the team no matter that it's name is.

History is history and we are repeating it.  A lot of people just what to read what they what to heard about history.  There is a lot of good and bad in the history of the world.

Many people came here because England had a law stating the you could be put in jail or work for someone because of your father crimes and debits.   Now congress is looking at paying all black people money just because of our fathers crimes (in their view)   

Words are words it is how you use them.   We have seen it here when someone replies and not word it so some of us do not understand what they really mean.  I do it all the time.     There are a lot of words that offends someone.

A black gentleman I know hates to be call African-American as he had traced his name back 6 Gens to England.  He thinks being called African-American  is racist.  Real nice guy but only one guy.

In the late  70s there was a push to get rid of the name "Blackshirts"    People were saying the defense was black and the offense was white is why they did it.   Not true!!!

Do we what to go back and look at how the white people got the black people for slaves?   From other black  people.   Indian tribes killed other Indian tribes long before white people came here.  So who is perfect??

No matter what there always will be someone on top and someone on the bottom with alot of people in the mid.  This deals with Governments, companies, Sports and any one.  We all would like to be on the top or just a few steps higher up on the ladder.  There are many people willing to do anything to get there (good or  bad).  Some think they will get higher by bring down people that are above them (or think are above them).

Golden Rule:  The person who has the Gold makes the rules until he losses the gold then the rules changes

History is written by the winners until they are made to be the losers.   

The internet has allowed people to say thing that they would never say face to face.  When I was young I heard it told.  "I read it in the paper so it is true"

The civil war was not fight just because of slavery.  There was a lot more reasons.  

I can go on and on but will stop here.  as I'm offend by a lot of things but no way will I force anyone to change.

Just try to be kind to everyone  even the ones how call you a racists.

If the question is "where does it stop?", maybe you like that Nike quit selling Redskins shirts, but what if ebay decides you can't buy and sell Redskins cards?  What if people, who may not even use our site, start harassing Admin, demanding that he take down all scans of Redskins cards?  What if it's decided that owning Redskins cards is a hate crime and we all have to break up our sets?  Some of these "activists" are really that deranged.  You give them an inch, they take a mile.

I agree with that as a possibility. 

But to my other point about not believing these companies are fully in, let's take the NFL. They took a stand against racism and in the context of the current definition interpreted by Nike, Walmart, Target, etc. why can you still buy Redskins memorabilia at NFLshop.com? Is the NFL in, or not? To me they're just sticking their toes in the water to check if they'll jump in or not.