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The Hoochie adverts are back for me, HOOOORAY!

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Don't take my reply the wrong way, I luv the business cards. Anyway, those cards don't cross professional team or player boundaries because it's just US FEATURED. And Topps doesn't care, they offer all the templates. This discussion is getting way out of hand.

PLEASE, JUST WRITE A RULE FOR ACEO CARDS !

Funny, I brought up my concerns over the appearance of  validity for the site a few months back and they were largely pushed to the side in favor of the "if they don't like it, they can go away" mentality.

That said, I'm going to throw an idea out there. Maybe, just maybe, if you have an issue, send a message to the person who is in charge of this site and bring it to their attention directly. Even better, put together a solution! Very few members here push against what Admin decides when it's said and done. 

Think guidelines need to be clearer? Make a list of what you think should be here and what shouldn't, and send it to Admin. Have a problem with what's listed here, and don't think it should be? Tell Admin. If you can't be patient enough to wait for a response from a person who, ya know, has a life outside of this site, I don't know what to tell you.

Don't like the answer? Find an alternative. Your own site. Your own spreadsheet. Your own whatever fits your needs. 

No one agrees with 100% of the things that go on here, 100% of the time. Black and white doesn't exist at all times - there's a lot of gray where flexibility has to come into play. If you can't live like that, I've got really bad news for you about life outside this site too. But we aren't a bunch of fifth graders. I don't think that really needs to be said. 

As far as my personal opinion, since no one asked: homemade cards with licensing issues shouldn't be listed here. Had I realized that the Helmar Brewing cards were what they are, I wouldn't have uploaded the one checklist I did. There's no way we should be recognizing the work of counterfeiters, forgers, or anyone else who's out to make a quick buck in a dishonest way. But hey, that's just me. I've said my piece and tried to keep it as civil as I can.

This will be my only post in this thread as it looks like virtual fists are going to start flying soon. Everyone just needs to CHILL. Like Jasongerman9 said, ask Admin. Why is everyone trying to take his job? He started this site, he has final say on what counts as a card. This whole thing is ridiculous as people are arguing over pieces of cardboard. No matter how highly you think of cards (I love them), they are still just pieces of cardboard, and nothing to fight over.

Yup, Admin drives the bus. Been there done that. I resolved any issues with list or not list. I've learned that the TCDB has it's own built in flexibility. I do think the forum is the best way to air it out, if suggestions or requests don't happen or happen fast enough, I at least know things I can do. Keep those posts and replies coming, I enjoy reading them all. Alls Good !

Guidelines for these types of cards have been posted to the FAQ:

https://www.tradingcarddb.com/FAQ.cfm?ITEM=Unlicensed

Admin,

Thank you for posting the criteria... what is a registered company?  "The set must be produced by a registered company."  It is simply a company with a business license?  The reason I'm asking for clarity is that I have several business licenses... if I make ACEO cards and sell them under one of my business names, can I add them to the DB?  (I won't, just using this as an example.)

The 2014 Future Shock were produced randomly and there is no known checklist.  Does that mean the 2014 Future Shock is a no go since they fail to meet the criteria for an ACEO card?

Helmar Brewing Company is constantly adding new cards to their series, so they don't have a checklist.  I'm guessing they're a registered company since they are a real company.  They don't use current players.  Are they an authorized ACEO card to add to the DB?  I'm guessing they've produced at least 5,000 different cards.

Monarch Corona has a copyright symbol and they print their cards on a printing press so I'm guessing they're also a registered company.  I don't think they use current players.  They have probably produced 20,000-25,000 different cards.  They have the largest prescence on the DB and they seem to meet the criteria? 

Thank you Admin for some clarity.  llafoe63 I think you bring up good questions, but I think you might want to message him directly for clarification.  People interpret things differently, but the way I read it, basically no one off cards are allowed. Again, only my interpetation.

My only question would be some of the Broder sets including the 1969 Oakland A's one I mentioned in a previous post, used logos, so should the set be removed? Or is this more of an "updated guidelines" meaning from here on out.

At the end of the day, I'm just happy for clarification.  Now we can get have some peace for a while.

I had the same thought about the cards Rob Broder and his dad produced; the true Broders.  All other unlicensed should not be called Broder.  Maybe tweak the guideline and replace "Broder" with "Broder-type".

Not an expert, but I think "current players" would revolve around players playing right now. At least that is the way I read it (with as Jupiter pointed out things can be read different ways).