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Are they cards? No, they're not. They are cards shaped. I ask this question because as always, going by the name of the website. The label on the tin tells you what is inside.

Are they listed in a becket? No, not the ones I have. Any cards pricing guide? I could not find them. 

Who made them? What company? May help in deciding if they stay or go. They look like a cheap cash in by a small company to milk it. How many years did they run? Just one? If so why?

I did find this page.  https://clydes-stalecards.ecrater.com/p/17595932/1989-phoenix-collect-the-stars-magnetables

page reads.

These interesting collectibles were sold individually in hangar packs. Neither the checklists in Beckett nor the Standard Catalog cover the set.

One could say, If the card price guides don't consider them cards why are they here?

Because price guides are just that - guides. There is no definite source. What one reference considers valid for inclusion, another may not.

I believe the page RJ Smith linked is one of our own members - look at the username for the scan for that particular card in our Database.

To reiterate what Dan said - if unsure, ask. While he prefers through IR so that it can go directly to Admin, I kind of like forum postings where we can learn something new. Someone did that with a posting regarding Tarot cards and their inclusion this morning, and that thread generated replies that taught me some new things. I don't think anyone minds that. It's when the replies are the same over and over again to the same members that some get tired of it - hence the dead horse reference.

Regarding what is and isn't documented on this site, I will still stand by what I always say. If you really, truly, cannot be on this site without having things exactly your way, you may want to find a different outlet. Admin has put guidelines in place. As users of a free service who benefit greatly from that service, the least we can do is respect those guidelines. Admin has proven time and time again that they are willing to make concessions and changes as time goes on, but the same arguments over and over and over about what should and shouldn't be included do not change answers. My tip of the cap goes to Bob for trying to find a workable solution to this dilemma now.

As far as things go for items that are included here, the same basic idea is applicable. There is no way in my mind that team photos and pocket schedules should be considered trading cards, and thus listed here. But by site defintion, they can be - just like those magnets linked earlier. Does this affect me? Absolutely not. In no way, shape, or form. Don't like them? Don't collect them. You can manually remove them from your wantlist if you so desire. But don't try and shoot out every single guideline and item you don't consider valid because this site doesn't conform to your collecting habits.

Just some thoughts I've had for a while, and this seems like as good of a place as any to put them out there. I'll show myself to the door.

Jason, you always seem to explain things so nicely.

Yes, I do prefer these go through the IR process. No matter what we come up with as a group, even if we're all singing and holding hands after the discussion, it still completely depends on what Admin says - via an IR. If the discussion can stay on the topic at hand, and not become a "I have those for sale over here" or "See, these should be on here because 1 other person brought it up", and it stays civil and informative, no problem on the forum post. There just seems to be little point. Submit an IR, if the person who tries to tacklie it can't prove that it should stay, then they can pass it on to Admin for the final answer.

As for whether something should be included here or not because of inclusion in aother party's price guide, I think that's really not a good criterion for exclusion. There are some major releases from the late 80s/early 90s that no longer appear in a monthly printed price guide. We're certainly not removing them when that outlet does that.

Maybe these magnets pointed out by grim25 do not meet the guidelines set forth for the site. If you have a strong feeling about the inclusion of such items, please submit the IR. Please explain your reasoning. What's the worst that can happen?

Like they say in NYC, if you see something, say something. But that only works if you tell the correct people. Hence my preference for the IR. You don't whisper to another passenger on the subway if you see something, you tell a uniformed officer.

Speaking towards NFL magnets, I remember buying a pack of the 1995 magnets, with numbers on the front that you can see on the scans on this site.

They are shaped like cards, numbered like cards and bought in random packs like cards. Obviously they have a checklist, since they are listed here. There are multiple years that are identifiable by looking at them. I would hate to think that all of a sudden they aren't going to qualify if an IR is filed. They were obviously meant to be collected like cards, and was trying to capture the card market during the boom.

I just wanted to get my thoughts on here before someone tries to IR them away.

Angus

The answer to my very simple question about MAGNETS wasn't answered. Therefore, as I've said before it's a gray area on this site. I wasn't trying to add magnets, and if I did they would have been already listed. I was offered a magnet by a member and just wanted to look them up to see what's here. I'm tired of being treated so rudely by certain members, HEY, if you do not want me to ask questions I won't, but I'm certainly not going to IR everything I find that "could be or couldn't be listed". If you think my questions seem inappropriate, you wouldn't like the 100s of IRs that could flood the site. If I reported everything I have catalogued on here that are questionable, you would have a true "cardboard" site and a lot of missing items of a slightly different type. That's not my purpose, I dropped any "so-called plans" to alter the site,  I have my new plans in place. Thanks to anyone and everyone that is at least civil and understand the purpose of my website plans, thank you. Since these threads are obviously pointed at me I can safely sign off "The Dead Horse".

Though the IR route would get the proper action that one desires for any one particular set, if you do not wish to submit an IR (though obviously it is the preferred method to get something resolved), then give a link to any particular example that you question its right to be here.  Only by doing so can anyone give you a proper answer in regards to anyone set; each and every set would have to be evaluated individually. There will NEVER be a blanket clearance to include all magnets just because one or two sets past the scrutiny of the members and was approved by Admin.

When I first saw this thread, I saw it as another attempt to get something listed on here that may be very questionable as to qualifying for inclusion.  I have magnets in my baseball collection.  I have one from this set (which I believe belongs on here) https://www.tradingcarddb.com/ViewSet.cfm/sid/97898/1990-Phoenix-Baseball-Magnetables.  I also have a few team schedules tat are magnets.  I don't believe they belong on here so I don't even ask. I also have some Nolan Ryan porcelain card replicas.  I don't think they belong either.

There have been so many of these general inquiries about many different collectibles that I think many members groan at seeing another thread about an issue that has been beaten 10 times over.

Actually, v3 answered your question. I didn't think yet another link to the FAQ would be appreciated, so I didn't do that.

Additionally, I did write:

Remember, magnets that are shaped like cards, collated into packs (randomly) like cards, and sequentially numbered like cards (with checklists) will probably be treated like cards across the hobby (including potential grading), and will most likely be allowed to stay. On the other hand, magnets that are just variations of team logos or simply player pictures of varying shapes and sizes without numbering or a checklist will probably not be allowed as they do not even resemble cards or sets.

I think that answers it as well. Yes, they CAN be allowed on here, provided they meet the certain criteria that we've discussed previously.

But, this also applies to ANYTHING. We have small statues on here (they were actually inserted in card boxes), we have marbles (they were manufactured by Topps), and we have jello molds (well, they are Topps oversized "3-D Cards" that we jokingly call jello molds). They meet various criteria that are outlined in the FAQ.

So, let's see....

Just wondering How they fit into the TCDB? 

We have a number of them listed across the sports as of now

They fit here because they meet 1 or more criteria here: https://www.tradingcarddb.com/FAQ.cfm?ITEM=OtherCollectibles

Hi !!! I'll sit here in the corner with my Billy magnets and nod off. Not much more to say. =) Bye !!!

Bob, multiple people answered you question.  The problem is that you have a history of calling things a "double standard", as though if one magnet is listed, all should be listed.  Like you did here when the subject of magnets came up in 2017.  (This was actually the first time UKBoogie referred to the Topps 3-D as Jello Molds too!).  The answer hasn't changed.

A-hem.  That is something of a misquote there.  The actual wording is that neither Beckett, nor the Standard Catalog cover the COMPLETE set.  Meaning both include them, but both catalogs' checklists are incomplete.  But, no, they were not issued with cards, more that they were issued "as" cards.  One per pack. The 1989 set was not numbered, but the 1990 set was numbered.

That said, despite the fact that it was probably me who added the sets in question, I have no particular strong feelings one way or the other as to whether they should remain.  If they stay, I won't cheer, if they go, I won't miss them.  In my early days on the site, I added sets that mostly pertained to my collection, or my collecting interests, before the "is it a card?" debate began.  I was just trying to document my player collections.  There were Dave Winfields in both the 1989 and 1990 sets, so I added the sets to keep track of my Dave Winfield collection, along the way, attempting to complete the documentation of the sets (since the "big two" had failed in that).

RJ Smith wrote:

Are they cards? No, they're not. They are cards shaped. I ask this question because as always, going by the name of the website. The label on the tin tells you what is inside.

Are they listed in a becket? No, not the ones I have. Any cards pricing guide? I could not find them. 

Who made them? What company? May help in deciding if they stay or go. They look like a cheap cash in by a small company to milk it. How many years did they run? Just one? If so why?

I did find this page.  https://clydes-stalecards.ecrater.com/p/17595932/1989-phoenix-collect-the-stars-magnetables

page reads.

These interesting collectibles were sold individually in hangar packs. Neither the checklists in Beckett nor the Standard Catalog cover the set.

One could say, If the card price guides don't consider them cards why are they here?