2021 Donruss Racing Forum

Panini celebrated their fifth anniversary of doing NASCAR cards with a series of buyback autographs. They published a complete list of different buybacks, sort of...we know that there are 736 different cards available, all SN to 10 or less. What we don't know is what cards are included in the buyback list. Their checklist just lists the driver and sponsor/team, it doesn't say what the original card was. It also doesn't give the actual number on the cards, it renumbers them 1-736, which we all know is wrong- EVERY single number on every checklist except the base cards was wrong, and the overall checklist is 6042 cards long, I have spent most of the day fixing and posting them. 

But I don't know what to do with the Buybacks. 

I already checked cards for sale on Ebay and I know they did NOT issue a new number. 

should we:

• List them with TBD as the card numbers, and correct them as we come across them?
• list them with the arbitrary numbers Panini posted on their checklist and correct them to the actual numbers when/if they are found?
• some other way I have not thought of?

Help, please! I can get them posted, with correct team and notes, but don't know what to do with the card numbers. By the way, if anybody decides to just life them straight up, please know that the Panini checklist has some team inaccuracies...as usual. 

First of all, thanks for your work formatting the entire set Billy. I know that's not an easy task with a set this large, but it helps when someone approaches it with the care and attention to detail that you do.

As far as the issue at hand...I don't see a great solution one way or another. However, I will add that using "TBD" as opposed to Panini's checklist numbers will make the checklist show up in the "Incomplete Checklists" section of "Things to Do". That's what it's there for, so that others can work on things like this as new information comes to light. So I think my vote would be to use TBD (or TBA).

Adding Release Notes like we do for other buyback sets would be helpful too, so that members know to submit IRs with the card number and an appropriate Note2 detailing the original card. That way, the checklist can be edited correctly as the actual numbers are discovered.

My approach would be to do as we do with all other buybacks.  Add them as they are found; not a checklist of TBDs and unknowns.

The 2016 Panini Honors Recollections (over 3200 cards!) insert buybacks have the same thing...a lot of TBAs, which is fine. I have scoured ebay for the cards and added the actual card number, including the ones I own. In the notes section is a description of the original card used. They have a handwritten serial number on the front (1/7, 1/25, etc.).

I agree with Chuck. We have this "system" for lack of a better word in Baseball, Hockey, and Football. I don't think we should reinvent the wheel for Racing.

The only reason I disagree here is that unlike Topps or Upper Deck, Panini published a checklist for these Buybacks. We know how many there are, and we know how many of each driver there are. A complete checklist can be uploaded - it'll just be inaccurate in the number field and Note2 field.

Further, these are all SN10 or less - some of these may never surface, but through deductive reasoning and some analysis, we can probably figure out the correct card numbers after a while (once we can determine which cards were re-issued and what cards exist for a driver, I bet we can deduce the last two or three for a driver).

I guess it comes down to what we'd rather have - a complete checklist with acknowledged temporary inaccuracies, or a partial checklist that gets amended every time someone happens to find a card.

My vote (not that it's a democracy or my vote really counts) stays the same: upload the entire checklist with what we know, and fix numbers/Note2 fields as we find cards. I'd rather see a full checklist that needs detail editing as opposed to a partial checklist when the full one is available.

I am with Jason on this one - simply because the list is known to be finite (and at what point it is finite).

TBA is preferred to be used in the spots of the unknown.

I agree that the TBD checklist is the way to go.  The Panini numbering would not only be wrong as you said, but I think would make it tougher to correct in the future.  Then again, I don't really care for buybacks, so those that do would be the ones that should be determining this, well, besides the Admin.