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This has got to be a misunderstanding. Both of you have been on this site a long time with a good reputation. The only negative feedback you guys have is from each other.

I've been thinking more about this and I actually believe this might have been payback. He got all the cards and is pretending not to. The original trade request was that he would receive 217 cards and I would recieve only 130. He went by Beckett price and I naturally griped about it. EVERYBODY who has been here more than a week knows how I feel about Beckett and pricing of cards. (That you're a fool if you go by them) I believe then and there he may have decided to "teach me a lesson" or some such garbage However, I wanted the cards he offered, and I was glad to send out some duplicates, so I agreed to it. I believe he may have decided then and there to claim he never got some of the cards- there were several that I no longer had but had not automatically removed from my tradelist due to people not following all the steps on the trade manager, those were never an issue. I told him I would replace them with other cards, but he NEVER gave me a list...I cannot send cards that I don't know he wants. I believe he may have decided before he even got the cards to leave me a negative.

A second theory I have is that he did get them and lost them. I don't think I'm dealing with somebody who understands trading, in that, I told him to send me a list of cards he wanted off my tradelist more than once, which he never bothered to do. Again, I can't send something that I don't know if you want it. Secondly, he complained that the cards still appeared on my tradelist, not understanding that they still appeared there because he never bothered to mark them as "Package Recieved"- something he never did, which I will get back to shortly. I suspect he may have accidentally thrown away one of the team bags that the cards were sent in and tried to blame it on me not sending them, which is why in my first reply to him I told him how they were shipped and to make sure he found the small team bag that I couldn't fit in with the others. (he never gave me an answer to that)

The third option, which I don't really believe but was willing to accept- the package was tampered with. He actually didn't get the cards. As a general rule I have not been bothering to tape the Priority Mail small boxes that I use, because that allows them to be reused. I've done it, reusing the boxes, but by taping them that makes it more of a challenge to do that. But I suppose it would not be impossible to open an untaped small Priority Box and rifle the contents, and possibly stealing some, and then closing the box back up and sending it to whoever it's addressed to. I accepted this because he stated the cards were going in all different directions. I do not ship that way, in trades cards are always together by set, usually in numerical order, and all facing the same direction, with the backs towards the the sticky part on a team bag. (with some slight variation on the sets being together based on what I can fit into a team bag). Working under this assumption, I told him to send me a list of what he wanted to replace the 20 cards "missing"- convieniently about the same number as was in the smallest team bag that held what I couldn't fit into the others, that I warned him to look for. He sent me a list of three cards, but never responded at all after I told him to send me a list of what he wanted off my tradelist. The next time I heard from him was when he left me negative feedback...thus giving me my theory that it was payback for griping that it was requested by price and not card for card, my preferred trading method. 

Since I knew by time the package arrived that he was a problem, I still have not opened what he sent me. It arrived to me on my birthday, October 18th. An easy way to remember the date. I'm going to video record the opening of the package. When/if I ever bother to. I would not be totally surprised if the cards he supposedly didn't get are in the package- he recieved first, at my request, and him accidentally sending me back the cards I had sent him would not be a surprise at all. I've seen it happen in the past. I don't even know if all the cards he supposedly sent me are actually in the package, either. I took his word for that, but my trust level is not high, here.

Now, this has caused me to change the way I do things. From now on, I will be photo documenting what gets put in the trade box, at least with first time traders. People I trade with often, and gifts, perhaps not if I don't have the time to do it. But first time traders I will. I never bothered to because I trusted people before. (Perhaps my biggest mistake?) I will also be taping boxes from now on, and possibly photo documenting them as well. I already ask trading partners to wait until they recieve to send because I know my speed is not high. Due to my health problems it can take me weeks or even a month to be able to get the physical help I need to get into my trade boxes. For example I promised Mark Zentkovich a card in early December but have not been able to get into the box to get it out yet. I've told him that I was having the problem and he will be getting some surprise cards to make up for the delay. I am debating rejecting any trade requests sent to me that are based on Beckett price. I've never turned down a trade-ever, since I began trading online in 2000- even when it is as lopsided as this one, which saw me send 217 cards for only 130 in return. It's just not worth the hassle of dealing with that kind of person. I've now had one bad trade and one bad purchase and both came from people who lived by Beckett prices. Thankfully, most collectors are smart enough that they don't need to be told what to think.

I need to turn my tradelist off for a while, because this person didn't bother to mark the cards as recieved. So I now have to go through my tradelist on here and manually remove all 217 cards. I have better things to do, and I don't know when I will get around to it. I've taken screencaps of our entire back and forth and the list of the cards involved so I will be able to do it at any time I feel like. But I don't know when I will feel like doing it. I may work on it now just to get it over and done with, though. Either way, my tradelist is going off for the time being, until I can sort out the mess he caused.  I retract this paragraph. It appears he did mark them as recieved, because they no longer appear on my In Transit list. Edited at 3:33 AM 1/10/18.

I am debating putting up a blog post warning my readers to avoid him at all costs, including everything I've posted here- but I will reveal his username and post unedited photos of the package he sent me if I do so. Which means I won't be editing names and addresses. (Note that I have not posted his name/username in this thread here.) The only reason I have not, yet, is that I don't want it to reflect badly on the Trading Card Database. Even with this person's presence, this is still the best trading card site on the internet, and I do not want to do anything that could adversly affect it or scare off any potential members. But I don't want any others to get taken and attempted to be discredited as he did to me, either.

I still would like a way to be able to block him- I definitely don't want him to show up if/when I match wantlists to my tradelist.

Sad and unfortunate situation.  On the Beckett issue, when someone quotes me Beckett, I cringe and usually turn away.  Back when there were many card shops, if I walked in one and all I saw was Beckett prices on their cards, I walked out soon after.

The trader was me, I nere tried to cheat you or have never lied to you about the missing cards. Most of the people who have commited on the page have traded with me. I use becket as a guide to my pricing so that I dont cheat anyone, I have had people offer commons for dollar cards. Would you trade a Jetter RC for a 1988 Mattingly card? 
I have communicated with you Billy about replacing the cards you told me you did not have 

From: Tigerfan22
Sent: Tue, 11/14/2017 11:10 AM
To: Billy Kingsley

Billy, I would like 1998-99 upper deck #16, 41, 65. You make it sound like im lying to you about not getting the cards. I gave you a count of what I got, it does not match what it should have been. Would you at least check to make sure you pulled them. You have never stated that you checked your cards yet you still have some of those cards on your trade list. Im not trying to cheet you out on cards, you got all yours, I always double check when I send them out, I did not get them all from you there are 20 missing cards. 

Billy I hated leaving you bad feedback because I know everyone loves you. The fact that now you feel like Im the thief and telling and wanting to warn everyone about me is crap. I have never cheated or tried to steel from anyone in any trade. What would other traders due if they were missing cards in a trade. Im no newby on this site and have been collecting and trading cards since 1982. I marked the package as recieved, you never have. Open the cards and you will find all of them there. 
My goal is not to cheat you Billy, this site is like family. We all share a common thing, something I dont get anywhere else. Warn everyone about me Billy Ive done no wrong. Just lot of accusations of me trying to cheat you. What would you do if someone did not send you all the cards in a trade? What would anyone do? Forget it Billy, dont send me anything else, Ill take the loss in the trade and bigger man and hope others will trade with me. Dont worry about blocking your stuff from me, I wont trade with you again.

As I told you via PM, some appear on my tradelist still because I had more than one copy. You never bothered to tell me which ones they were and which cards, aside from those three, that you wanted to replace them. I was willing to, as I told you, but you never told me what you wanted. I don't know what to send if you don't tell me. Our last interaction before you left the negative was my telling you to give me a list. Since you didn't, I can only assume that you had decided to leave a negative no matter what I did. Even though I know the cards were sent, and thus I know you got them, I was still willing to send you more cards even though I KNEW I was being cheated. (Either by you or some temp postal worker) I actually believed that you threw them out by mistake until you went straight from my telling you to send me a list to a negative. You wouldn't need a duplicate copy of what I already sent you if you actually had them and was trying to make a point. Do you see what I'm saying? 

Yes, I understand what it's like to not get what you expect, and try to fix that. The thing is, I offered to send replacement cards...you didn't tell me what you wanted me to send. What am I supposed to do, guess? You told me three when you wanted 20. I have been waiting for you to tell me what you want for months now, and I get nothing but a negative. THAT is why I think you were trying to cheat me, because you made no effort to tell me what to send. 

Note that I have not used you name here or anywhere else. 

I'm still willing to send you replacement cards, if you send me a list...and if you remove the negative feedback. (I will remove the one I left as well if you do that). There is the chance that they were stolen during shipping, and you are telling the truth. I told you to pick cards off my tradelist, you never did but that still stands...but nothing goes in the mail as long as that negative is there. I'm already going to be out double the shipping money and 100 cards more than I got...I need to get my name/reputation restored to where it should have always been. Not much to ask. As I've made abundantly clear in both public and private, I've always been willing to make this right, even though I'm the one losing the most in the first place. 

Just to say, I had a trade where I had placed cards in three individual sleeves, 6-7 cards per sleeve.  When the individual got them, he reported to me that six cards were missing, i.e. 1 sleeve. I did a frantic search here but could not find the missing sleeve.  I also knew I had been doing several trades all at the same time.  I was prepared to resend the missing cards or replacements but the other guy was not too worried.  About 3 days later, he contacted me again - he had found the missing sleeve / cards in behind I believe the couch.  They had fallen there without his noticing.

You are both regulars on the trading here at TCDB with all but now one positive feedback.  Could this be a similar issue asmy occurance, at either end of the line?

Absolutely. One of the team bags I had sent was apart from the other cards and buried in packing peanuts. I told him several times to make sure the box was thoroughly checked but that didn't get a reply.

I did have 5 packages of cards out of the box, but with this trade is was wierd because ( an example, the 1992-93 Topps the cards #208, 302, and 333 were there and #340 was not and it was like that through out the packs, One missing here or there, it wasnt untill 1996-97 that several started missing out of each or all of the company.

The odds of this being helpful are slim but I ship all the time in my Avon business and believe it or not the us post office actually delivered to my mother of all people an empty priority bag. Please make sure we are tapping every box in a trade. I don’t know what the hell the post office is doing but taking good care of our packages isn’t that high on their list.