1994 Flair USA Basketball Forum

I just received a box-worth of these 1994 Flair USA Basketball cards.  In the set, there are two cards of each coach, eight of each men's player, and six individual women's team cards.  I noticed that some coach cards that had the wrong foil stamp on front - "Career Highlights" instead of "Personal Note", and vice versa.  Also, within the men's team, there was a similar foiling switch with the "Rookie Year" and "Dreamscapes" cards.  I also have correct versions of ALL 120 cards in the set.

Should this be recognized as an ERR/COR issue?

The foiling on the backs of the cards is correct & consistent with the card number - just the front foiling is erroneous.

I can verify the following cards "in hand": 2, 7, 8, 13, 16, 21, 24, 29, 32, 37, 40, 64, 96, 104 & 112

I saw COMC had four already on my list, and after sifting through 1000+ listings on ebay, I can add: 1, 93, 101 & 109

So far, they seem to be paired up, except for Reggie Miller's #61 RY with the "Dreamscapes" foiling error.

In my thorough albeit brief searching, I did NOT find any errors with Pete Gillen (3/4), Rick Majerus (5/6), Shawn Kemp (45/48), Dan Majerle (53/56), Alonzo Mourning (69/72), Shaquille O'Neal (77/80), or Mark Price (86/89).  Perhaps it is linked to who appeared on certain sheets.

Anyone else care to do a little more digging elsewhere & verify?  At least it's easier to spot than a "." or "*" :)  Thanks.

BTW, if you browse through the TCDb Gallery for this set, you'll see two of the mis-foiled cards I'm talking about: #7 & #21

(edit: and the Note fields reflect - incorrectly - the wrongly applied foil on front)

I did some more web browsing, with no success in finding visual confirmation of the #61 Reggie Miller "Rookie Year" card stamped as "Dreamscapes" on the front.  

I know I'm not the only one with cards from this set.  Any help out there?

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Picked up another lot of these cards.  Still no sign of #61 Reggie Miller RY stamped as a "Dreamscapes".  

However, I did see an uncut sheet for sale & it shows that blocks of 20 cards (printed 5 times each) formed 100-card sheets.  On this particular sheet, there were 10 PN, 5 WM, 2 CO (#4 PN & #117), 1 CH, 1 RY & 1 SS.  Only one of six sheets, but it sheds some light on the possible reason for the printing errors affecting only certain pairs of cards.

Since there are 4 coach cards & 15 player RY/DR errors, it could have been just one or maybe two sheets that had been printed in error & then corrected.  With non-sequential numbers appearing on the sheet & a few theme outliers, it's possible the Reggie Miller RY card #61 appeared on a correct-only sheet, while his #64 DR was on a mis-foiled sheet.

This is the list I've gathered & visually confirmed of ERR/COR combos.  All 19 cards have two foiling variants on the front, with both versions having the correct foiling on the back, matching its appropriate card number (card numbers are printed, not stamped).

Don Cheney 1 & 2

Don Nelson 7 & 8

Derrick Coleman 13 & 16

Joe Dumars 21 & 24

Tim Hardaway 29 & 32

Larry Johnson 37 & 40

Reggie Miller 64

Steve Smith 93 & 96

Isiah Thomas 101 & 104

Dominique Wilkins 109 & 112

*** I would like to hear some confirmation from other TCDb-ers before sumbitting IRs.  Please check your collections, if you have them. ***

The two cards that were improperly Noted on the set's checklist have been corrected - and it is #8 (not #7) & #21 that currently show images of the ERR versions.

FINALLY found visual proof of the Reggie Miller #61 "Dreamscapes" error!  So, that makes 20 ERR/COR pairs in this set.

Will this require an IR for each affected card, or is this an L8/Admin(?) full checklist revision/expansion to include the necessary "a" & "b" listings?

To reiterate, it is only the FRONT foiling which may be in error (not just the subtitle, but the card front's entire foil stamp, including the Flair logo location).  The BACK foiling correctly matches the card number in either case.  

Any (constructive) response would be nice... it's been nothing but crickets since my first post on this subject nearly two months ago.

Wrong foil cards do not get listed here. Probably why no one spoke up about it.

Honestly, Dan... I think these SHOULD be listed here. I haven't spoke up before but was following his entire process of searching for them. I was waiting to see where the search went. There appears to truly be an ERR and a COR version of the specific cards. If we are adding hologram VAR's and "dot vs. no dot" and * vs. **, there is no reason that the cards Orm is talking about shouldn't be listed. In this specific case, I'd say ERR and COR instead of VAR. It is consistent for certain cards and ONLY those certain cards. I think these cards should be listed here.

i agree, foil issues like these are nearly the same as having them printed on card without foil, if that were the case they would be listed.

I went to this set and clicked on the "Insert Card" button. The message that displays there is this:

Not sure why you're saying they'd be listed if they were missing the foil.

Additionally, any images not depicting the correct foil application should be tagged for replacement (and subsequently replaced with images with the correct foil application).

And after re-reading the entire thread (very carefully this time), I still say that we'd be completely going against the guidelines if we listed these wrong foil cards. Adding this info to the Release Notes or Trivia would appropriate, not adding cards.

 If I follow the nature of the variation correctly without seeing a side by side image, these cards have a varying typeset on the card front and not just missing some random ink or foil. I think they warrant inclusion as either err/cor or variations on TCDB.

Ed