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BlastFromThePast
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Tuesday, January 30, 2024 8:45 PM | |
Hello! I'm newer here, so I apologize if this is a dumb question. I see that the 5x7 portraits are listed as an insert for this set, and the entry is linked with the individual player that the 5x7 is for.
Should we also create an entry for the uncut/unpeeled sheets, or at least link those portraits with the 5 players with decals on the reverse side, since the reverse (when uncut/unpeeled) essentially forms a "sheet" like so many other hand-cut/perforated issues of this era which also have records in TCDB?
So for instance, the Barry Larkin 5x7 Portrait would be linked not just with Larkin, but also to Eric Davis, Chris Sabo, Jose Rijo, and Hal Morris? I realize it would require two different entries (one for the "peeled" photo and one for the "unpeeled" back), but I'm happy to help add those to the DB if needed.
Open to other ideas/conversation - like I said I'm newer so maybe there's a good reason this isn't already done :)
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Lea DeFoote
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Tuesday, January 30, 2024 9:05 PM | |
As a general rule, people appearing on the back of a card but not the front don't get linked.
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BlastFromThePast
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Monday, February 5, 2024 1:56 PM | |
Thanks for the reply, Lea! That 100% makes sense to me in most cases. In this case though, the interesting thing is that the 5x7 portrait is actually the "back" for the uncut sheet of decals (the portrait is what the uncut sheet of decals is attached to). Wondering if that changes anything?
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BigEd76
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Monday, February 5, 2024 3:02 PM | |
Except in the case of album stickers where the back is also collectable and appears on multiple fronts (but not if they're 1-to-1). In those cases, we're allowed to link the player on the back on the original unpeeled version, and we're also allowed to list the collectable backs as a separate insert set with all "backs" (fronts) blank. See 1988 through 1990 Topps Stickers under Baseball for an example.
Am I reading correctly that this decal set comes as a 5x7 that people are cutting up, and the cut-up pieces are the base checklist?
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C2Cigars
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BlastFromThePast
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Monday, February 5, 2024 3:26 PM | |
Hey Ed - thanks for the response and yes, you're correct. The "base" checklist includes the 5 individual player decals that are affixed to the back of a larger 5x7 portrait card of a prominent player in the set. For instance, in the Reds team pack that I mentioned earlier, there are 5 decals (Barry Larkin, Eric Davis, Jose Rijo, Hal Morris, Chris Sabo), and then those 5 decals (plus a team logo decal makes 6 total decals) are affixed to the back of a larger 5x7 version of the same Barry Larkin "pose".
Those decals could either be peeled off individually (thus leaving a blank back 5x7 portrait if all of the decals are peeled off) or cut up (thus leading to the "puzzle back" thread that previously appeared on this forum a few years ago).
Let me know your thoughts, and happy to answer any other questions you have based on my own research here :)
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richardd2764
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Monday, February 5, 2024 3:28 PM | |
Yes Ed, the set includes 26 team sets of 6 decals (with 5 players and a team logo) as well as 6 superstar sets of 6 decals (with 5 players and a High-5 superstar logo). The base set as listed would be just the individual players included on the 6 decal panels.
I think there may be some missing though because there should be 30 VARS given 6x superstar sets of 5 players that also appear in their individual team sets. Treating the team logos and High-5 superstar logos as insert sets does not seem correct as they are right there with the player decals. I think the 5x7's are correct as Howard Johnson is the 5x7 on the Mets set while Gooden is on the NL Pitchers set (the other 5 superstar sets have repeated 5x7's).
Edited on: Feb 5, 2024 - 3:31PM
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BlastFromThePast
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Monday, February 5, 2024 3:33 PM | |
The example C2Cigars shared is perfect and kind of leads back to my original question - when these decals are stuck to the 5x7 portrait as they are in the package - do they count as being an "uncut sheet"? There are so many other instances of these "uncut sheets" during the late 80's/early 90's era - but given the uniqueness of this set - that's where my original question was stemming from :)
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C2Cigars
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Monday, February 5, 2024 3:34 PM | |
https://www.tcdb.com/Forum.cfm/Page/S/ID/101109/?MODE=VIEW&ThreadID=36911&C=8
The portrait backs were not intended to be cut up into a "puzzle". There should be no VARs in the base set. The backs are the backs of the decals not the portraits.
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richardd2764
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Monday, February 5, 2024 3:40 PM | |
So we need to remove all of the VAR's from the base set, superstar logos, and 5x7's, and all of the incorrect back scans and the 5x7's will just be blank back?
Edited on: Feb 5, 2024 - 3:41PM
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