MattyIce2014

MARCH 2024 - My target for return to trading is set, with a new and more targeted trading philosophy.  I come now with a collection that is more organized and focused, with an understanding that I can’t do it all.

MY COLLECTION TARGETS:
1. Vintage (pre-1980) football and basketball
2. 1983-85 Star Basketball
3. Julius Erving cards
4. Men's and Women's Panini FIFA World Cup Stickers
5. 1972 Topps Football - high numbers (#264-351)
6. 1977 Topps Mexican Football
7. 1977-78 Topps Basketball - gray backs
8. MLS cards

NOTE - Trades considered and offered will likely contain cards from the above, but can be combined with other cards.

OTHER NOTES:
My wantlists run through 2010-ish in Football and 2011-12-ish in Basketball, so if you have interesting hits to my recorded FAVORITE PERSONS or FAVORITE TEAMS after those dates, I will strongly consider those when making trades larger.

I prefer larger trades, but I don’t mind trading in smaller quantities, especially with multiple hits to my collection targets listed above.

I will slowly be adding my dupes list of pre-1980 Baseball/Basketball/Football cards with some general condition notes.  I have hesitated to add these cards herein due to the condition of many of them. I never cared much about condition, but I know many of you do. Please see my CONDITION NOTES section below for more specifics.

MY SONS WANT
1. Pokemon from Base Set era through E-Card era (1999-mid-2003), with Rares of other years given strong trade consideration.
2. Liverpool player cards that are not listed in the COLLECTION section herein.

We are happy to mix card types and eras in trades.

ULTRA-PRIORITY TRADING for these cards:
1. 1972-73 Topps Basketball #195 Julius Erving RC
2. 1981-82 Topps Basketball #W93 Checklist 1-110 (ERR: Numbered “West 93” and should be “East 93”)
3. 1981-82 Topps Basketball #E101 Larry Bird
4. 1989-90 Fleer Basketball #E353b Detroit Pistons Champions (VAR: Pistons logo on front and misspelled “Blanha” on back)
5. 1990-91 Hoops Basketball #249a Terry Porter (ERR: no NBA logo on back)

1. 1972 O-Pee-Chee CFL - Trio Stickers #10/11/12 Chuck Ealey
2. 1973 Topps Football #89 Franco Harris RC
3. 1980 Topps Football #374a Beasley Reece (ERR: no position on front)
4. 1989 Score Football #305b Tim Brown AP (COR: black #81 jersey)
5. 1992 JOGO CFL - Missing Years #7A Chuck Ealey

1. 1990 Pucko Niagara Falls Rapids Baseball #4 Denny McNamara

ULTRA-PRIORITY TRADING for these subsets:
1. 1969 Topps Football - Four-in-One
2. 1968 Topps Football - Stand-Ups
3. 1970 Topps Football - Posters
4. 1965 Topps Football - Magic Rub-Offs
5. 1974 and 1975 Fleer Football Patches - Immortal Roll

1. 1969-70 Topps Basketball - Rulers
2. 1971-72 Topps Basketball - Trio Stickers
3. 1970-71 Topps Basketball - Poster
4. 1973-74 Topps Basketball - Team Stickers
5. 1992 Courtside Flashback Basketball - Autographs

ULTRA-PRIORITY TRADING for these oddball sets:
1. 2003 Kohls Columbus Crew Team Set
2. 1970 and 1971 Kellogg’s Football
3. 1962 Post Cereal Football 
4. 1961 Nu-Card Football Stars
5. 1971 Fleer Harlem Globetrotters
6. 1971 Fleer Cocoa Puffs Harlem Globetrotters

I WANT THEM BUT I KNOW I DON’T DESERVE THEM
1. 1970-71 Topps Basketball #123 Pete Maravich RC
2. 1957-58 Topps Basketball #77 Bill Russell RC
3. 1969-70 Topps Basketball #25 Lew Alcindor RC
4. 1957-58 Topps Basketball #17 Bob Cousy RC
5. 1984-85 Star Basketball #101 Michael Jordan XRC

CONDITION NOTES:
Condition is not the biggest thing for me at all (especially for vintage cards).  If condition is really important to you, I may not be the best trade partner - perhaps looking elsewhere would be best.  Most of my cards are in terrific condition, but condition has never been my focus.  Any card after 1980 which I have posted on TCDB will rarely have a condition note attached to it.  I will pull a card for condition review in special circumstances.

STARTER SETS WANTED
2006 Upper Deck MLS
2015 Topps MLS
2016 Topps APEX MLS
2017 Topps MLS
2019 Topps MLS
2020 Topps MLS
2021 Topps Chrome MLS

COMPLETE SETS TO TRADE
 I have a lot of complete sets to trade in Baseball, Basketball, Football, and Soccer - including insert sets and oddball sets. Reach out for a list.

MY COLLECTION:
I am a set builder of select Football, Basketball, and Soccer sets.  I am collecting at least one master set per year, with Stadium Club and Legends sets favored in the more modern years.  As to soccer cards, I collect MLS sets and 1994 Upper Deck World Cup sets.  

I also collect to complete sticker books relating to the NFL and World Cup soccer (Men and Women)  *** Looking for the 2011 Women's World Cup sticker book (and/or stickers). ***

AND, master sets of Raiders, Browns, Packers, Toledo Rockets, Columbus Crew, and Latino NFL players.  AND master player collections of Julius Erving, Allen Iverson, and now Ja Morant.

Steelers are my main focus. Pirates & Penguins will always have one or two team sets in the works as well.

Any Rocky Bleier not already in pc, happy to trade heavy for.

Grew up in Three Rivers Stadium. Collecting is about the memories for me.

Always happy to trade no matter if it's big or small. Same town or different continent, all good. A great way to help one another.

Steelers team set completion help of any year. 

Pirates 1971 to 1991. Few modern team sets

Pens 1976 to 1993. Few modern team sets
 

Want list is being trimmed down slowly. Listing more.. most from small box sets & pack rips, conditions will be very sharp.

Happy to trade heavy if you close out a Steelers team set. 

1989 Pro Set FB has a handful of VARs missing. Willing to purchase or trade heavily to complete.

Small sets & packs for trade:

**packs & box sets need sorting, will have list up soon. 
     ~ Retail boxes are always changing. Currently 88 Topps baseball Coins; 87 Bball Sportflics set; 90-91 OPC hockey wax; 90-91 Topps Hockey sealed set; 91-92 pro set French wax; 91 pro set platinum fb series 1 & 2 wax; 91 pacific fb.. few left of 99-00 upper deck McDonalds retro hockey & few blister hangar packs left of 08-09 upper deck series 2. 
 

Please feel free to drop a line if any are of interest, happy to trade. 

Miscellaneous:

•Framed displays of favorite players & favorite cards + memorabilia have been made with my nephew, long distance from back home in Pittsburgh. Below is a link to photos of a few of the 60+ we've made & a 2nd link for where the nameplates came from. If not the best plates around for best prices, made by a good individual? No chance I'd have the links up. Anyone who may be interested, take a look & drop either Mike or myself a line. Why keep your pc tucked away when it can be easily mounted, safely, & to see daily. I hate promoting. Whole experience over the past couple years is simply worth it. 

Thank you. 

I am not accepting any trades at this time.  I am in a position that I feel I need to begin selling off my collection. I am moving towards selling off my whole collection but I am only posting the higher value cards right now.  If you see something you like, whether its in a collection or on my FS&T list, feel free to make me an offer.  For most commons, I am asking for $0.18 per card, which is the Sportlots minimum price.  I will leave the rest of my profile as is just in case something changes and I don't need to sell everything off.

If you accept an offer from me, I will strive to ship within 24 hours.  I will also try to respond to offers within 48 hours and, if it will take longer than that to pull the cards, I will do my best message you within 48 hours.

I have done my best to list the conditions per the PSA grading scale if I consider them less than EX-MT.  I do not profess to be proficient at grading.  If I think a card is less than EX-MT and it is not marked as such, I will do my best to let you know in the message.

Thank you for taking a look.

Collects all and all is for sale or trade; want list on Berton Russell account

Collecting Michael Jordan and University of Illinois Alumni. Will consider any offer. Cards shipped PWE unless otherwise agreed upon in advance. I will generally respond very quickly to trade offers, and ship within 48 hours.

Collecting Priorities:

1. Illinois Alum Autographs

2. Michael Jordan 

3. Illinois Alum Memorabilia 

4. Illini RCs

5. Illini in Illini jerseys

GO ILLINI!

#1 Collector of Illini:
Football
Tony Adams Jr.
Geronimo Allison
Mel Agee
Alan Ball
Kameno Bell
Mike Bellamy
Arelious Benn
Cap Boso
Derrick Brownlow
Michael Buchanan
AJ Bush
Luke Butkus
Glenn Cobb
Jameel Cook
Reggie Corbin
Matt Cushing
Vontae Davis
Mark Dennis
Tommy Devito
Ken Dilger
Tony Eason
Mile Eifler
Clayton Fejedelem
Josh Ferguson
Jason Ford
Xavier Fulton
Moe Gardner
Jeff George
Red Grange
Chris Green
Kevin Hardy
Frank Hartley
Terry Hawthorne 
Kelvin Hayden
Robert Holcombe
John Holocek
Brad Hopkins 
Dana Howard
Josh Imatorbhebhe
A.J. Jenkins
Johnny Johnson
Keith Jones
Kurt Kittner
Ryan Lankford
J Leman
Corey Liuget
Brandon Lloyd
Vederian Lowe
Wes Lunt
Mike Martin
Whitney Mercilus
Hardy Nickerson Jr.
Marlin Primous
Simeon Rice
Dawuane Smoot
Elbert Turner
Jihad Ward
Juice Williams 
Eugene Wilson
Walter Young


Basketball
Stephen Bardo
Kenny Battle
Kofi Cockburn
Jimmy Collins
Ayo Dosunmu
Kiwane Garris
Derek Harper
Eddie Johnson
Matthew Mayer
Brandon Paul
Nick Weatherspoon

Trading for ONLY cards I need.  I will consider misprints and others not listed here.   Nebraska Cornhusker Football players.    Will buy if the price is right.

Not trading/selling any of my PC cards.

Selling cheap:   you name the cards and a fair price. I'm easy to work with.   I like getting cards to people for their PC.   

Like a lot of us here I have a lot of cards not listed.   Will try to list more players when asked to.

All sets that are listed here are for sale/trade.

Mainly doing PWE.

Jim Budler

512 Mt. Evans St.

Longmont, CO.  80504

November 1 - Trading turned off at the moment.  Feel free to send a message. 
 

Wake Forest Basketball alumni (Muggsy Bogues, Tim Duncan, Chris Paul, John Collins, Josh Howard, Jeff Teague, etc.)

Jose Canseco, Ichiro

Atlanta Braves, Carolina Panthers  

Basketball and baseball sets from 1988-1995

The Panini sticker complete sets in my collection are for trade or sale - baseball, basketball, football, hockey
 

 COLLECT: For Enjoyment.. this is suppose to be Fun Relaxation. "No Soliciting to Buy"

Bringing back our childhood memories of trading with my friends.

I have no interest in baseball, basketball cards. I send multiple for even 1 packer card on my wantlist.

Any brand . Packers only.. Trade, trade, trade.. single trades are fine..  my older “ vintage” cards listed for trade are now image included on the link. What you see, is what you get. Learning the tools here , day by day.. 

 LETS DO IT! Its fun going to the Mailbox in this Covid Era..

donn bramer

2382 remington rd
green bay wi 54302

Site User Manual links

https://www.tcdb.com/UserManual.cfm

 I don't mind getting PWE's any tme.. Save if you can..Packing your cards for mailing. Link

https://1912fenwayfaithful.wixsite.com/redsox/pwe-guide

I am VERY VERY busy, but I love to make trades!!!  Please be patient with me if I am slow to respond.  TIA!

I love jersey numbered serial numbered cards!      (Hakeem Olajuwon 34/x,  Nolan Ryan 34/x, Andre Johnson 80/x)

My main PC is Hakeem Olajuwon,  Andre Johnson, Nolan Ryan, Clint Dempsey, and Emmitt Smith.  I also collect cameo cards of those players.  I am currently working on compiling a list on all of their cameo cards.  Please check out my list and let me know if you see any cards missing. TIA.

Hakeem Olajuwon - https://www.tcdb.com/CollectionSummaryP.cfm/pid/7744?MODE=RANKING

Andre Johnson - https://www.tcdb.com/CollectionSummaryP.cfm/pid/10849?MODE=RANKING

Nolan Ryan - https://www.tcdb.com/CollectionSummaryP.cfm/pid/5128?MODE=RANKING

Clint Dempsey - https://www.tcdb.com/CollectionSummaryP.cfm/pid/24041?MODE=RANKING

J.J. Watt - https://www.tcdb.com/CollectionSummaryP.cfm/pid/37304?MODE=RANKING

Craig Biggio - https://www.tcdb.com/CollectionSummaryP.cfm/pid/477?MODE=RANKING

Emmitt Smith - https://www.tcdb.com/CollectionSummaryP.cfm/pid/12771?MODE=RANKING

Troy Aikman - https://www.tcdb.com/CollectionSummaryP.cfm/pid/8515?MODE=RANKING

Mike Modano - https://www.tcdb.com/CollectionSummaryP.cfm/pid/15828?MODE=RANKING

For trades involving low end card I ship PWE.  I follow TCDB member ohoffm's tips/instructions for shipping PWE.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_Jixfugb0xo

As a new member this video by Ian Badeer was a great introduction to the site.  https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h2K2fRKXmCk

Address:

Dan Thiry

2169 Packerland Drive

Green Bay WI 54304

Prefer to keep transactions to pwe 18 cards maximum also I do not buy cards off this site Thank you

NOTICE: I've decided to make a slight change my trading approach.   I really don't have any interest in doing these large "player collection" trades anymore.  I'm a set collector and all my traders are stored by set (in nearly 100 3,200 count boxes).  It sometimes takes me hours to pull cards where someone is only looking for certain players.  What's worse, I recently had a guy screw me on a trade after I pulled 120 random cards.   Going forward, I will be rejecting these types of trades.  I'm looking to help people complete their sets and vice versa.  Sorry, but I hope you understand.  Craig

I’ve been collecting cards for over 47 years and have over 503,000 unique cards in my main collection, including some nice vintage stuff.  I collect older cards of the four major sports but lately I've been expanding to some more recent sets.  I'm primarily a Set Builder and I’m looking for other like-minded set builders to trade with.   I’ve accumulated tons of extra cards that I would like to trade away with almost 250,000 cards in my current For Trade list.  Big trades don't bother me. I have a huge Want List, so hopefully you have something I need.  Feel free to make me an offer. 

For Canadian Traders: It's expensive for me to trade across the border.  Going forward I would like to limit cross border trades to two (2) PWEs. That's about 54 standard-size cards.  Thanks.

For Anyone Outside US/Canada: The increased postal rates have made it impossible for me to trade outside North America cheaply.  So going forward I will have to decline trades from outside US/Canada.  Sorry about that.

Update on Donruss/Leaf * Variations and Upper Deck Holo Variations:
I can't guaranty the junk wax era Donruss/Leaf cards and the UD holo variations are listed with the correct variation.  Going forward I will no longer check the variations on these cards.  If you want these cards regardless of the variations, feel free to request them in the trade.  However, If you want a specific variation of these cards, I'm no longer your guy - please don't put them in the trade request.  For all other cards that have variations, I will continue to check and make sure you get the correct one.

Note on Vintage Cards:
I have over 6,000 vintage cards listed for trade (I consider vintage to be 1977 or earlier).  For each card I've noted a condition grade and if you check closer, a note on each regarding any condition issues (be sure to select the correct one if multiple cards are shown).  Please note that I'm by no means a professional grader and if you're hyper-sensitive on card condition, please message me first and I'd be happy talk about it.  In exchange for these cards, I have three priorities:

• 1) similar vintage cards that I need (any sport)
• 2) inserts for my 90s sets that I need (any sport)
• 3) or non-junk era base cards that i need as a last resort (any sport)

Note on Card Condition: A card noted as Pr, Fr, Gd, or GdVg will have some obvious condition issues such as creasing, corner wear, or marks.  I would consider them place holders in a collection at best (I've listed them because some people do want place holders).  A VG card will usually be a clean card with some corner wear or a centering issue.  For me, VG would be the bare minimum for my personal collection.  EX will be nice sharp card and VgEx will be something just between VG and Ex, still a nice card with a small issue that prevents it from being EX.  NM in vintage is a tough find.

5 cards incoming is a minimum for trades, please! (Unless it's a higher-value card)

I am prioritizing my collecting on Nebraska Cornhuskers currently, so any trades for those former players are preferred.

I care about VARs/variations/parallels. If it's documented that way on TCDb, that's the one I'm looking for! Please take a little time to confirm your cards being offered are correctly documented. Easy traps that everyone falls into are 1990s ProCards/CMC cardbacks and football hobby base versus retail base.

Check out the results of the Ukraine trip here!

Declining trade offers with no message is of little use to the person initiating the trade, show some effort to those putting together trade offers and take a few seconds to note why the trade doesn't work in its current state. A few moments to communicate can lead to a deal getting done!

On the flip side, please stop sending me 1-4 card trades showing that you didn't read/ignored my top message in bold, respect for time goes both ways!

About Me:
KC Royals and Nebraska Cornhuskers Team Collector, and Alex Gordon/Jermaine Dye Super Collector. TCDb enthusiast!

I am only accepting the minimum of 9 card pwe trades unless it’s worth the postage.when sending trade proposals I generally give 2 to 3 days for a response if no response i usually delete the proposal so I am not tying up my cards for other trades. So just at least let me know if you are interested or just deny the trade all is good either way. Thanks Bernie 

Pittsburgh pirates cards(Barry bonds, Andrew mccutchen all teams they have played for)

For football only trading for Ben roethlisberger and Jerome bettis and tj watt cards that I don’t have right now. No other football at this time. 

Also trying to finish a lot of my Pittsburgh pirates team sets topps and bowman, bowman chrome as of now. Also topps baseball inserts from 2015 up to current topps inserts.

and currently not trading for basketball and hockey at the moment.

      Only shipping to the United States at this time.

               still trying to load cards in the data base for trade have lots to go through yet. 

       Bernie

   I am not buying or selling cards only trading.

     All cards in my collection are non-tradable 

     For the pirates and Steelers variations I need them to be exact for my master team sets

I send my pwe trades non-machinable they take a little longer but to me it’s worth it, if you want the pwe trade sent regular and not non-machinable then let me know beforehand.

         Only trading for cards that i have on my want list thank you.

12/4/2023 - Updated my PC lists, so there will be a mass of Jackie Robinson, Roberto Clemente & Corbin Burnes cards available for sale/trade here soon.  As I mention below, my want list is quite narrow, so I am more than willing to sell cards if we don't match up for a trade.  

Came across tcdb.com towards the end of 2019, and I have now completed over 1,500 transactions, with over 23,000 cards changing hands!  Love everything about this site.  I have met so many cool people from all over the Country, and even a few from Canada and beyond. (Just completed a trade to Finland, as a matter of fact).

Stole this from another member, but......my goal is to have zero cards in my For Sale/Trade List.  So keep the proposals comin'!

(I know my Want List is relatively small, so I am certainly willing to Sell cards if we don't have enough matches to work out a trade)

My PC list is as follows (with TCDB rankings as of 2/9/2024):

NBA: Giannis (4), Dirk Nowitzki (4), and Tim Duncan (2).  

NFL: Sterling Sharpe (3), and Don Majkowski (2)

MLB: Robin Yount (7), Tony Gwynn (6), Hal Morris (3), Mark Grace (7), Pat Listach (1) and Mark Langston (1)

Golf: Rickie Fowler (2)  & Joel Dahmen (2)

WWE: Lita (3)

UFC: Conor McGregor (4)

Non-Sport: Eddie Vedder, Judah Friedlander, Big Jay Oakerson, The Brothers Osborne (TJ & John), Rob Riggle, Bert Kreischer, Tom Segura, Charlie Berens, Post Malone and Brody Stevens

Although I currently live in Florida, I was born in Milwaukee.....hence my obsession with Wisconsin sports teams.  Ha.

Please check out my For Sale/Trade list, and feel free to message me or send me trade proposals any time.....let's see what we can get done!  (I don't necessarily trade based on "book value", but rather the value to me, so please feel free to counter if I propose a trade that you feel is unfair.  I also have no rules about "insert for insert" or any of that nonsense, so don't be shy to shoot me a proposal)  

Anthony Firkser

I've had so much fun trading on here. Thank you to everyone. I'm not looking to buy right now, only trade

Oakland, LA, Las Vegas Raiders (certain players)

Garbage Pail Kids (any years)

All Topps base: 1979-2015

Other sets: no particular order

1. 1989 Pro Set
2. 1991 Upper Deck 
3. 2016-17 Donruss
4. 2013 Score
5. 2017 Donruss Optic

I'm putting together a Scratch and Dent collection. They will be cards that aren't in the best condition for whatever reasons. Feel free to search through them for anything you'd like and don't be afraid to ask any questions. If you don't have any cards on my wantlist but I have some from yours, I'm willing to trade for traders. Send a request and I'll counter with the cards I'd like in return. All of the cards on my trade list are fair game so don't be afraid to ask. 

Currently working on:
1993-94 Finest Basketball
Base Set: 220/220 | 100.0% COMPLETED!
Main Attraction Insert: 27/27 | 100.0% COMPLETED!
Refractors Insert: 47/220 | 21.4% Complete

1986-87 Fleer Basketball
Base Set: 24/132 | 18.2% Complete
Stickers: 4/11 | 36.4% Complete
2007-08 Fleer - 86-87 Retro Rookies: 3/30 | 10.0% Complete
2007-08 Fleer - 86-87 Retro Rookies Glossy: 1/30 | 3.3% Complete

1993 Finest Baseball (Just Started!)
Base Set: 23/199 | 11.6% Complete
All-Star Jumbo: 0/33 | 0.0% Complete
Promotional Samples: 0/3 | 0.0% Complete
Promotional Samples Refractors: 0/3 | 0.0% Complete
Refractors: 0/199 | 0.0% Complete

1994 Finest Football (Just Started!)
Base Set: 21/220 | 9.5% Complete
Refractors: 1/220 | 0.5% Complete
Rookie Jumobs: 0/37 | 0.0% Complete
 

Hey everybody, Jeremy here.

Big time Husker fan as I've grown up and lived in Nebraska my entire life. I'm an alum and will cheer for any sport.

Been a card collector since a wee child. Took a 15 year hiatus in college and post-college and getting back into it collecting my childhood favorites. Boy have things changed! I'll dabble in some new cards, thus, I have newer cards for trade as well.

My goal: is to help you complete your sets and/or collect your favorite players or teams. I only have 1-5% of my collection logged into TCDB thus far, so most likely have many more in your want list then what appears. I'm very open and actually prefer trading 100-400 cards for 5-15 cards in return. I understand a number of my want list includes potentially "higher" priced cards ($1-$20+), so if I need to trade 1:10 or 1:20 if you're open to that, I am as well and will ship accordingly. As stated above, I love helping others complete sets as I have a TON of doubles and commons.

I will always send PWE, unless the trade is over 30+ cards, then use a padded envelope.

I enjoy collecting: (ranking week of 4/1 ---> 4/15)
* Shaquille O'Neal (#24 ---> #24) (4.5% Complete)
* Ken Griffey Jr. (#42 ---> #42) (4.2% Complete)
* Dan Marino (#14 ---> #15) (5.0% Complete)
* Kobe Bryant (#29 ---> #29) (1.5% Complete)
* Michael Jordan (#92 ---> #92) (3.8% Complete)
* Lebron James (#22 ---> #22) (0.9% Complete)
* Alex Rodriguez (#31 ---> #32) (1.7% Complete)
* Ricky Williams (#7 ---> #7) (5.1% Complete)

Always open to fair offers and selling any cards in my FS/FT list, as I have a BUNCH of cards I'm looking to purge as well. As I continue to get back into it, I may grow my wants/needs in completing sets, etc. I accept cards in all conditions, they don't have to be perfect.

Appreciate all considerations and will try to communicate if a card isn't in "gem mint" condition as well, as I do have some that aren't, as I actually traded cards waaaayyyyy before TCDB came along!

I do have a SportsLots Page for selling as well: https://www.sportlots.com/dealers/?dealer=Jmo34353

***I ONCE AGAIN HAVE A BUNCH OF TOP LOADERS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE OR TRADE.  IF YOU NEED SOME, HIT ME UP***

Now the #1 collector of Ryan Klesko cards on TCDB!  With more to come!

PC: 

High priority: Ryan Klesko, Dale Murphy, Dave Winfield, Dominique Wilkins, Kenyon Yovan, Michael Conforto, Adley Rutschman, Nick Madrigal, Trevor Larnach, Steven Kwan, Cadyn Grenier, Drew Rasmussen, Gary Payton II, Jacob Melton, Travis Bazzana, Trent Caraway, Gavin Turley, Garret Forrester, Will Frisch, Cooper Hjerpe, Justin Boyd, Mitch Canham, Kevin Abel, Nahshon or Rezjohn Wright, Terry Baker, Christian Chamberlain, Gary Payton, Ethan Thompson, Darwin Barney, Damien Martinez, Jam Griffin, Jake Luton, Jermar Jefferson, Hamilcar Rashed Jr, Luke Musgrave, Anthony Gould, Kitan Oladapo, A.C Green "In the Name" cards, Jade Carey.

Lower priority: Junior Seau, some Bo Jackson, Eric Lindros, Jordan Poyer, Mike Hass, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Jacoby Ellsbury, Steven Jackson, Nick Barnett, Matt Moore, Ochocinco/Chad Johnson, Sean Mannion, Johnny Hekker, Sam Gaviglio, Matt Boyd, any Oregon State alum/player in any sport (male or female).

PLEASE SEND TRADE OFFERS.  It's my favorite part of the hobby.  Always willing to negotiate a good deal for both sides.  One card, or 10+ cards.  I'm fine with any size.  USA & Canada only, unless the card is significant enough to me to ship overseas.

I do NOT collect/keep any other cards of any other players/teams.  If the card isn't a unique card to me of one of my guys above, it's not something I will keep.  I don't want duplicates either.  I'll trade it or sell it if it's something I think I can move; otherwise, no thanks.  But I DO want any card of any of my PC guys if I don't already have it.  My trade/sell and want/wish lists are updated, so if it's not on those lists, it's highly unlikely that I'm interested in it, or I already own it.

Fan of: all OSU sports, Braves, Red Sox, Blazers, Chargers, Flyers, Timbers, Tottenham FC.

Goal for VINTAGE ONLY CARDS (condition NOT very important...just no rips/tears, no writing on the front...some creases ok...not really concerned with how the back looks): Hank Aaron (preferably in a Milwaukie uniform, but not required), Mickey Mantle pre-1969 (earlier the better), Babe Ruth any vintage year, Joe DiMaggio any year, Lou Gehrig any year, Ted Williams pre-1955, Jackie Robinson any year, Shoeless Joe any year, Jimmie Foxx any year, Satchel Paige any year, and Stan Musial pre-1960.  For basketball, would like a Alcindor while in Milwaukie, early Doctor J, Oscar, early Magic/Bird, Bill Russell, Wilt, David Thompson, Cousy, Mikan, Moses & maybe a couple others.  Prefer to stay as cheap as possible, but for the right card might go a little higher...obviously Mantle/Ruth/Joe D/Wilt and those types would be more.  Again, condition I know won't be great at these prices.  I now have a Hank, Mantle, Jackie, Clemente, Yogi, Bob Gibson, Ernie Banks, Sandy Koufax, Mays, Jerry West, Maravich and Gervin at these levels, and a couple of Ted Williams, that I'm very happy with.  But the more the merrier if the price is right!

• I will typically send cards via PWE unless the quantity is above 20 and then I will send BMWT.  If you wish a smaller trade to be sent BMWT, please let me know & adjust the trade accordingly. 

TCDB rankings as of 8/20/23:

• Klesko (1st) - 950 unique cards
• Dale Murphy (8th) - 542 unique
• Winfield (5th) - 640 unique
• Conforto (1st) - 448 unique
• Madrigal (1st) - 416 unique
• Rutschman (1st) - 159 unique
• Kenyon Yovan (1st) - 37 unique
• Larnach (1st) - 202 unique
• Cadyn Grenier (1st) - 93 unique
• Drew Rasmussen (1st) - 75 unique
• Jacoby Ellsbury (10th) - 130 unique
• Wally Backman (335th) - 34 unique
• Kevin Abel (1st) - 32 unique
• Steven Kwan (2nd) - 58 unique
• Darwin Barney (4th) - 49 unique
• Beau Philip (1st) - 9 unique
• Cooper Hjerpe (1st) - 65 unique
• Jacob Melton (1st) - 27 unique
• Justin Boyd (1st) - 16 unique
• Christian Chamberlain (1st) - 18 unique
• Dominique Wilkins (2nd) - 440 unique
• Steven Jackson (13th) - 99 unique
• Brandin Cooks (3rd) - 111 unique
• Gary Payton II (1st) - 32 unique
• Jacquizz Rodgers (2nd) - 38 unique
• Hamilcar Rashed Jr (1st) - 25 unique
• Jake Luton (1st) - 64 unique
• Jermar Jefferson (1st) - 69 unique
• Isaiah Hodgins (1st) - 27 unique
• Matt Moore (2nd) - 17 unique
• Markus Wheaton (14th) - 22 unique
• Jordan Poyer (1st) - 28 unique
• TJ Houshmandzadeh (27th) - 32 unique
• Chad Johnson (18th) - 83 unique
• Junior Seau (64th) - 100 unique
• Sean Mannion (1st) - 50 unique
• Mike Hass (2nd) - 20 unique
• Stephen Paea (2nd) - 13 unique
• Steven Nelson (2nd) - 8 unique
• Ryan Nall (2nd) - 7 unique

VERY willing to trade/negotiate.  I live to  trade...send me ALL trade requests!  Would prefer trades to purchases, although I know my PC is pretty limited in the grand scheme of things.  Just got back to the hobby in 2020 after approx 30 years out of it, and about 20 years after selling off 99% of it to pay for our wedding.  I forgot how much I loved it!

***I ONCE AGAIN HAVE A BUNCH OF TOP LOADERS AVAILABLE FOR PURCHASE OR TRADE.  IF YOU NEED SOME, HIT ME UP***

Now the #1 collector of Ryan Klesko cards on TCDB!  With more to come!

PC: 

High priority: Ryan Klesko, Dale Murphy, Dave Winfield, Dominique Wilkins, Kenyon Yovan, Michael Conforto, Adley Rutschman, Nick Madrigal, Trevor Larnach, Steven Kwan, Cadyn Grenier, Drew Rasmussen, Gary Payton II, Jacob Melton, Travis Bazzana, Trent Caraway, Gavin Turley, Garret Forrester, Will Frisch, Cooper Hjerpe, Justin Boyd, Mitch Canham, Kevin Abel, Nahshon or Rezjohn Wright, Terry Baker, Christian Chamberlain, Gary Payton, Ethan Thompson, Darwin Barney, Damien Martinez, Jam Griffin, Jake Luton, Jermar Jefferson, Hamilcar Rashed Jr, Luke Musgrave, Anthony Gould, Kitan Oladapo, A.C Green "In the Name" cards, Jade Carey.

Lower priority: Junior Seau, some Bo Jackson, Eric Lindros, Jordan Poyer, Mike Hass, TJ Houshmandzadeh, Jacoby Ellsbury, Steven Jackson, Nick Barnett, Matt Moore, Ochocinco/Chad Johnson, Sean Mannion, Johnny Hekker, Sam Gaviglio, Matt Boyd, any Oregon State alum/player in any sport (male or female).

PLEASE SEND TRADE OFFERS.  It's my favorite part of the hobby.  Always willing to negotiate a good deal for both sides.  One card, or 10+ cards.  I'm fine with any size.  USA & Canada only, unless the card is significant enough to me to ship overseas.

I do NOT collect/keep any other cards of any other players/teams.  If the card isn't a unique card to me of one of my guys above, it's not something I will keep.  I don't want duplicates either.  I'll trade it or sell it if it's something I think I can move; otherwise, no thanks.  But I DO want any card of any of my PC guys if I don't already have it.  My trade/sell and want/wish lists are updated, so if it's not on those lists, it's highly unlikely that I'm interested in it, or I already own it.

Fan of: all OSU sports, Braves, Red Sox, Blazers, Chargers, Flyers, Timbers, Tottenham FC.

Goal for VINTAGE ONLY CARDS (condition NOT very important...just no rips/tears, no writing on the front...some creases ok...not really concerned with how the back looks): Hank Aaron (preferably in a Milwaukie uniform, but not required), Mickey Mantle pre-1969 (earlier the better), Babe Ruth any vintage year, Joe DiMaggio any year, Lou Gehrig any year, Ted Williams pre-1955, Jackie Robinson any year, Shoeless Joe any year, Jimmie Foxx any year, Satchel Paige any year, and Stan Musial pre-1960.  For basketball, would like a Alcindor while in Milwaukie, early Doctor J, Oscar, early Magic/Bird, Bill Russell, Wilt, David Thompson, Cousy, Mikan, Moses & maybe a couple others.  Prefer to stay as cheap as possible, but for the right card might go a little higher...obviously Mantle/Ruth/Joe D/Wilt and those types would be more.  Again, condition I know won't be great at these prices.  I now have a Hank, Mantle, Jackie, Clemente, Yogi, Bob Gibson, Ernie Banks, Sandy Koufax, Mays, Jerry West, Maravich and Gervin at these levels, and a couple of Ted Williams, that I'm very happy with.  But the more the merrier if the price is right!

• I will typically send cards via PWE unless the quantity is above 20 and then I will send BMWT.  If you wish a smaller trade to be sent BMWT, please let me know & adjust the trade accordingly. 

TCDB rankings as of 8/20/23:

• Klesko (1st) - 950 unique cards
• Dale Murphy (8th) - 542 unique
• Winfield (5th) - 640 unique
• Conforto (1st) - 448 unique
• Madrigal (1st) - 416 unique
• Rutschman (1st) - 159 unique
• Kenyon Yovan (1st) - 37 unique
• Larnach (1st) - 202 unique
• Cadyn Grenier (1st) - 93 unique
• Drew Rasmussen (1st) - 75 unique
• Jacoby Ellsbury (10th) - 130 unique
• Wally Backman (335th) - 34 unique
• Kevin Abel (1st) - 32 unique
• Steven Kwan (2nd) - 58 unique
• Darwin Barney (4th) - 49 unique
• Beau Philip (1st) - 9 unique
• Cooper Hjerpe (1st) - 65 unique
• Jacob Melton (1st) - 27 unique
• Justin Boyd (1st) - 16 unique
• Christian Chamberlain (1st) - 18 unique
• Dominique Wilkins (2nd) - 440 unique
• Steven Jackson (13th) - 99 unique
• Brandin Cooks (3rd) - 111 unique
• Gary Payton II (1st) - 32 unique
• Jacquizz Rodgers (2nd) - 38 unique
• Hamilcar Rashed Jr (1st) - 25 unique
• Jake Luton (1st) - 64 unique
• Jermar Jefferson (1st) - 69 unique
• Isaiah Hodgins (1st) - 27 unique
• Matt Moore (2nd) - 17 unique
• Markus Wheaton (14th) - 22 unique
• Jordan Poyer (1st) - 28 unique
• TJ Houshmandzadeh (27th) - 32 unique
• Chad Johnson (18th) - 83 unique
• Junior Seau (64th) - 100 unique
• Sean Mannion (1st) - 50 unique
• Mike Hass (2nd) - 20 unique
• Stephen Paea (2nd) - 13 unique
• Steven Nelson (2nd) - 8 unique
• Ryan Nall (2nd) - 7 unique

VERY willing to trade/negotiate.  I live to  trade...send me ALL trade requests!  Would prefer trades to purchases, although I know my PC is pretty limited in the grand scheme of things.  Just got back to the hobby in 2020 after approx 30 years out of it, and about 20 years after selling off 99% of it to pay for our wedding.  I forgot how much I loved it!

• Currently working on filling my 2011-2020 topps heritage. Willing to trade inserts for bulk commons 

• I'm still loading a ton of cards on my forsale/trade list so check back periodically to see if we can match a trade.

• Will sell from my forsale/trade list

• I do not pull cards before making a proposal. It’s rare that I don’t have what’s listed but it can happen but I will pull them before accepting a proposal 

• All cards will be sent PWE. Will send 3 PWE to keep the cost down. Anything more than 54 cards(3 PWE with 18 in each) will be sent in bubble mailer/box.  

Drew Bledsoe ; Kyle Brady, Joshua Kelley, Kyle Trask, AFL, Collingwood Magpies, Non-sport, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, Star Wars, X-Files.

I am located in Australia, and yes if you send any other way than a PWE, postage can be expensive. So please don't offer a trade and then immediately withdraw it when you realize how far away I am! I have some great cards looking for their forever homes. Don't let my location stop you from trading with me. It may take a little longer than you're used to, but be brave! And thanks to all the TCDB members who have successfully traded with me, some of them repeat customers! I'm getting ever closer to completing some old NFL sets and I am so grateful to have found this site.

I mail on Wednesdays!

#1 Tom Brady collector on TCDB

#3 Charles Woodson collector on TCDB
 

My main priorities of my collection are Michigan alum, regardless of the uniform.  I will take ANY card I dont already have of ANY Michigan alum in ANY sport.

TOM BRADY: I have recently added Tom Brady cards to my “ for trade list”.  These cards are for trade ONLY for Tom Brady cards I don’t already have!

Will trade for ANY Brady I don’t already have!

I also enjoy putting sets together.

No trade is too small.

J. Buhner, A.Rhodes, C.Bosio,  D. Wilson, J.Nelson, J.Kruk, R.Dibble, M.Blowers, R.Myers, D.Boyd, M. Blowers, M. Fidrych, B. Blyleven, D. Parker.

DISCLOSURE:

My Topps 59' 60' 61' and 62's are all Ex or Ex+ and looking for good homes.

My OPC/Topps 70's vary widely.  I hesitate to grade, but I do  know the parameters.  Ask for condition and I will put eyeballs on the card and let you know.

My Topps 79' and 80' are weathered.  Some dings, soft edges. Pesentable. Handled by me as a child.  If its creased, it isnt listed here

Everything else Ex+/Nm or better.

My name is Nathan Ferguson, I am from Scottsbluff, Nebraska. I work on the railroad, so I'm a busy guy!

Currently going to pause transactions for a little until I get everything I got figured out and sorted.

Football cards

-Lions, Nebraska Cornhuskers, and Former Nebraska players are a +.

I like collecting to complete sets and like to help others complete theirs.

 My goal is to collect a card for each player that's played in the NFL/NBA/MLB/NHL for at least 5 seasons. And their college cards too when they are available. 

Dana Surdyk

241 NE 55th St

Ft. Lauderdale, FL 33334

NCAA:  Anybody from any sport who graduated from or left to go Pro as a underclassmen from the Huskers!!!

Baseball:  Rookie Cards, Yankees, Derek Jeter, Bo Jackson, Ken Griffey Jr, Nolan Ryan, Cal Ripken Jr, Frank Thomas, Jody Davis 

Football:  Any Ex-Huskers, Rookie Cards, Peyton Manning, Bo Jackson, Mike Vick 

Basketball:  Lakers, Kobe Bryant, Chris Webber, Shaq, Penny Hardaway, MJ, Vince Carter 

Hockey:  Kings, Wayne Gretzky, Pavel Bure 

Golf:  Tiger Woods, Rory Mcllroy, Rickie Fowler, Justin Thomas 

Racing:  Dale Sr, Dale Jr, and Kevin Harvick 

Comics:  Batman, Spider Man, Joker, Harley Quinn, Anything from the MCU 

Movies:  Anything from the MCU, Batman, Star Wars, Any Rob Zombie movie, the list goes on and on really!!!

Curating a collection of basketball cards with referees in the background. Attempting to 1) acquire two copies (one base and one parallel if available) of every basketball card with a referee's face visible and 2) identify each referee.

Love P.W.E. trades. ***Warning*** am a ssslllooowww processor and transactions may take a long time because most card work happens over the weekend.

Happy collecting :)

- Randy

PS Started a Kaleena Mosqueda-Lewis side PC.

Baseball - Football - Hockey

Update 5/21/23

My address is 

Johnny Snow,

202 Elizabeth Street

Saltville, Va. 24370

Thank you in advance.

Update 4/06/22

First of all I only have football cards and baseball for trade right now. Send me your trade offers. I respond to all. Also willing to buy cards in bulk for trading purposes. Teams i collect are 49er's, and Braves. Especially from the years 1987 and backwards with a few 90's mixed in. Also 2000 - forward.

Main goal right now is 2022 team sets for the above teams.

Players with my last name. Snow

Available Sets (NRMT/MNT) for Sale (Make An Offer)

BASEBALL

• 1994 UD Bsbll All Time Heroes (Slf Collated) 1-225
• 1994 Pinnacle Bsbll Score Select Series II (Slf Collated) 211-420
• 1994 UD Bsbll Srs I and Srs II (Slf Collated) 1-280, 281-550
• 1995 UD Bsbll SP (Slf Collated) 1-200

FOOTBALL

• 1994 Fleer Ultra Ftbll (Slf Collated) 1-525
• 1994 UD Ftbll Cllctrs Chc (Slf Collated) 1-384
• 1994 UD Ftbll Cllctrs Chc (Then & Now Inserts) (Slf Collated) 1-6
• 1994 UD Ftbll SP (Slf Collated) 1-200
• 1994 Pinnacle Ftbll (Slf Collated) 1-270

All Sports Cards & Memorbilia and some other Cards

TCDb Ranking:

• JJ Watt - #1
• Dutch Clark - #1
• Red Grange - #1
• Mel Hein - #1
• Fats Henry - #1
• Bronko Nagurski - #1

Football only except Andre Dawson. JJ Watt. Hall of Fame Members with a preference to defensive players and linemen. 1st Topps cards of HOF Members.

On football cards to trade/sell the grade if not noted is: 1980 to present - NM or better, 1979 - VG+ or better, 1970 to 1978 - wide range, Pre 1970 - I try to indicate grade on each card.

I have quite a bit of baseball prior to 1993 but do not follow or collect anymore except Dawson. All my non-Dawson cards are for trade but have few entered into the database (and really would rather not enter them). Let me know if you would want to trade and I can check out your want list.

• Minnesota Vikings
• Minnesota Timberwolves
• Minnesota Gophers
• Wisconsin Badgers

My football cards are or should be 100% correct, I would like to move as many as I can out of the 90,000 I have for trade. Also, my girls are collecting Pokémon cards and have asked if I can trade for cards they dont have, any help would be great. They do have a ton of duplicates that are not listed on the site because they like to trade with friends at school. All their trade cards are in great shape, not game played. 
Teams

• Detroit Tigers,
• San Francisco 49ers 
• Colorado Rockies 
• Denver Broncos
• LA Lakers
• Denver Nuggets

Players 

• Alan Trammell
• Todd Helton
• Scott Rolen
• Joe Montana
• John Stockton
• Nick Van Exel
• Eddie Jones
• Jerry Rice
• Pat Garrity
• Cecil Fielder
• Wally Joyner
• Terry Steinbach
• Errict Rhett
• Natrone Means
• William Floyd
• Christian Laettner
• Chris Webber
• Kirk Gibson
• Al Kaline
• Lance Parrish
• Matt Williams
• Steve Young
• Don Beebe
• Payton Manning
• Dwight Clark
• Alex English
• Walter Davis
• Will Clark
• Marquis Grissom
• Howard Johnson
• Lou Whitaker
• Jack Morris
• Dave Parker
• Jim Rice
• Ronnie Lott
• Haywood Jeffries
• James Lofton
• Glenn Robinson
• Michael Finley
• Derrick Alexander
• Napoleon Kaufman
• Rick Mirer
• Jake Plummer
• Mike Alstott
• Glen Rice
• Jamal Mashburn

Amare Stoudemire #8

Mike Mussina #12

Alex Ovechkin #26

Carter Baumler 

Colton Cowser #12

Justin Tucker #3

Ed Reed #11

Matt Stover

Omri Casspi #2

Anthony Parker #13

Dean Kremer #1

Deni Avdija #14

Joe Ingles #18

Jacob Steinmetz #21

Gal Mekel #5

Gunnar Henderson #10

WELCOME to my selling & trading page!  Occasionally a few rants here and there but i'm only trying to save the world. It's a hard job just doing my part. I will entertain everything except lopsided trades. You get blocked for that.

UNTIL SPORTLOTS SHOWS ME THESE 18 CENT TOM BRADY CARDS (SHIPPED) THEY SUPPOSEDLY HAVE FOR SALE   THE PRICES THEY POST MEAN NOTHING. TRASH TO BE HONEST 

If I dont respond you can always call or text me... sixonetwo-sevenfourthree-threeonezeroone  -JUSTIN

\\\*** VINTAGE & CURRENT SETS I AM WORKING ON NOW ***///   

1. BASEBALL - 1952 topps, 1960, 61 fleer, 1955-59, 67, 69, 70, 71, 74, 76 topps 1933 Goudey ANY condition*
2. FOOTBALL - 1968 topps, 1970-1977 topps, 1997 ud3, 1998 ud3, 2008 upper deck
3. BASKETBALL - 1986-87 fleer -missing stickers- akeem, bird, Jordan & 03-04 topps & chrome
4. HOCKEY - 1970-71 topps, 1979-80 topps

HELP! I'M 1 CARD AWAY FROM A COMPLETE SET: 

• 1952 TOPPS #261 W. MAYS / 2011 TOPPS HERITAGE NEW AGE PERF. #NAP-13 R. CANO
• 2012 TOPPS HER. NAP #NAP-JV JOEY VOTTO  /  2001 Topps Post cereal #16 M. Alou
• 58 TOPPS JIM BROWN / 1985 TOPPS #72 E. JOHNSON / 2019 Donruss Optic DEEBO SAMUEL
• 1972-73 TOPPS #88 KEON / 

Hall of Fame rookies, pre war cards any condition,, set builder from 1909-2019 PC is Thomas Tapeh, RANDY MOSS, Griffey Jr., Kirby Puckett, Piazza, Manny Ramirez, Vlad Guerrero, Ripken, Terrell Davis, Barry Sanders, Emmitt Smith, Tom Brady, Drew Brees Rookies, Torry Holt, Edgerrin James, Daunte Culpepper Rookies, Tony Gonzalez  PC all in my favorites.   I ALSO SELL ON EBAY & FACEBOOK MARKETPLACE

https://www.ebay.com/sch/vintagesportscollector1981/m.html?_trksid=p3692

  Let's say we match on 100 cards. There are a fair amount of stars, commons, high value stuff. It can be definitely time consuming to add for both sides. Add what you are looking for from me and add 1 or more cards from your side and send it over to me. I can fill in the blanks to make that trade work for me. If you want to counter the trade feel free to do that so it works for you. I would hope for a fair amount of give and take dealing with common and star cards. Commons arent very valuable to me going to or coming from me. Just saying. If we can do a larger trade for more cards why wouldnt we?  This may not be everyone's ideal way to trade but I figure we get a lot more accomplished that way. if you want to do all commons on one end and all stars on another let's do that. Thanks.

AGAIN: I don't value common cards very highly whether they are mine or yours. you give me 20 i will give you 20.    I will counter 90 % of the time.  I'm a set collector working on sets. Volume trades are always welcome

I have decided to ship only 1 day a week because it's easier for me. single card trades will be the same day.

I TRADE A LOT ON HERE AND SOMETIMES I END UP TRADING CARDS THAT I DONT OWN ANY MORE. IF THIS HAPPENS I WILL LET YOU KNOW SO I CAN REPLACE IT. IF I DONT RECEIVE A RESPONSE IN 4 DAYS I WILL SEND YOU RANDOMS ON YOUR WANTLIST TO COMPENSATE AND THAT'S IT

BIG SHOUT OUT TO MY FELLOW TRADERS WHO CONTINUE TO BE FAIR, CONSISTENT AND UNDERSTANDING. YOU ALL MAKE MY EXPERIENCE HERE GREAT.

I missed the forum post about bobscardz and his banishment. I would have voted NO because he hasn't even tried to send me my end of the cards he got from me. He marked it as problem and never fixed it ever since he left his UNWARRANTED negative against me. He is a spiteful, hateful internet scammer as far as I can see. I am not perfect but I make up for my mistakes. my 2 cents.

Thanks for reading my profile. I enjoy trading cards I don't need for those that I do. I've been in this hobby for many years (I remember opening 1955 Bowman packs at our local candy store)! I usually don't pull my end before making a proposal; most times, I'm trying to get a feel for how doable it is, and it saves me from having to refile cards if things fizzle out or if I'm countered.  I will, however, (usually) pull before accepting a trade.  Please counter, if need be!  Communication is key to good trading!   I have some physical limitations..it may take me a bit to pull cards so your patience is appreciated!  

1.  My top priority is completing sets.  

2.  Recent Phillies teamsets and inserts.  I do multiple teamsets to help local Philthies Phans!

3. Older Phillies teamset needs..all brands.

As mentioned, I love to trade, will reluctantly sell ... cheap, if we cannot swap!  PLMK what I have that you can't live without!  Phillies is my team, through thick and (mostly) thin!  PWE trades are great and assumed unless we agree otherwise - bubbles used if worth the shipping costs!  Slowing down though - the old body won't let me hoss those 5000 count boxes too much - thanks in advance for your patience with me!!