Hall of Future

by chvlDm - 19 cards (Last updated on Jan 23, 2024)



1. 2022 Topps Gypsy Queen #284 Nolan Arenado


8 x ASG
10 x GG (6 Platinum)
54.4 bWAR
19th JAWS 3B


2. 2022 Topps Gypsy Queen #269 Mookie Betts


MVP
7 x ASG
6 x GG
1 x BA Title
2 x WS
64.6 bWAR
9th JAWS RF


3. 2017 Topps Gypsy Queen #10 Miguel Cabrera


2 x MVP
Triple Crown
12 x ASG
4 BA Titles
1 WS
67.3 bWAR
140 OPS+
3000+ Hits
500+ HRs
11th JAWS 1B


4. 2015 Topps Gypsy Queen #26 Freddie Freeman


MVP
7 x ASG
1 x WS
142 OPS+
55.8 bWAR
25th JAWS 1B
Postseason: 205 PA, 10 HR, 23 RBI, .943 OPS


5. 2013 Topps Gypsy Queen #112 Paul Goldschmidt


MVP
7 x ASG
4 x GG
61.7 bWAR
17th JAWS 1B


6. 2019 Topps Gypsy Queen #62 Zack Greinke


CY
6 x ASG
6 x GG
2 x ERA Title
77.5 bWAR
25th JAWS P


7. 2017 Topps Gypsy Queen #171 Bryce Harper


2 x MVP
7 x ASG
46.2 bWAR
146 OPS+
34th JAWS RF
Postseason: 172 PA, 12 HR, 24 RBI, .987 OPS


8. 2011 Topps Gypsy Queen #1 Ichiro Suzuki


MVP
10 x ASG
10 x GG
2 x BA Title
3000+ Hits
60 bWAR
17th JAWS RF
509 SB (35th)


9. 2017 Topps Gypsy Queen #59 Kenley Jansen


4 x ASG
1 x WS
420 SV
14th JAWS RP
Postseason: 59 G, 2.20 ERA, 20 SV


10. 2011 Topps Gypsy Queen #87 Clayton Kershaw


MVP
3 x CY
Triple Crown
10 x ASG
5 x ERA Title
1 WS
79.9 bWAR
21st JAWS P

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Comments

Oct 8, 2023 - 1:51PM
Philliesphan

One you could possibly add could be Jose Altuve.

Oct 8, 2023 - 3:43PM
fedoratipper

Ichiro would be a good choice for this list.

Oct 8, 2023 - 4:13PM
chvlDm

Thanks for the comments.  Altuve is on the Hall of Shamers list for Astros trashcans.  I forgot about Ichiro, thanks!


Edited on: Oct 8, 2023 - 4:18PM

Oct 9, 2023 - 9:40AM
Canadian Codhead

Don't know man, you lost me at Joey Votto in the honourable mention list. 

Oct 9, 2023 - 1:46PM
chvlDm

Yes, I think in the end Votto gets in, and I hope he does, but he may have to go through several rounds of voting like Helton.  Trying to keep the list to the most "sure-fire".  He's a big name 1Bmen but sometimes big name guys are left out like Mattingly & Garvey.


Edited on: Oct 9, 2023 - 2:10PM

Oct 9, 2023 - 10:19PM
Canadian Codhead

Not sure I'd put Judge as a sure fire member either yet. He's already in his 30's, hasn't had a great health history, and may not have the body type that will stand up to a long career. He also got a comparatively late start in his MLB career (he became a full time MLB'er at age 25).

He's had 3 very good to great seasons, but a lot of guys have that on their CV.

His numbers right now, less than 300 Hr, less than 600 rbi aren't HOF worthy.

 

Oct 9, 2023 - 11:58PM
chvlDm

Good point.  I can't believe he's only two years younger than Stanton.  Stanton has HOF talent but just can't stay on the field.  Judge may turn out similar.  I think I'll put them both on the HM list.  Thanks.

Oct 10, 2023 - 9:02AM
Canadian Codhead

I'd probably put Manny Machado on the honourable mention list at least. He's 2 months younger than Judge has better career numbers than him right now and seems likely to hang on longer.

He can be a bit of a hothead at times, but doesnt have any morality question marks I am aware of.

Oct 10, 2023 - 10:22AM
chvlDm

Good call. His WAR and JAWS are already up there and he still should have a good number of years to go.

 

Oct 10, 2023 - 12:38PM
Canadian Codhead

Judge might end up as one of the most polarizing cases in history.

Say he retires with 400+ HR (I can't see him getting to 500, he'd need 6 more seasons averaging 40 to get there, and I don't think he has that much ahead of him), less than 1000 RBI , less than 2,000 hits (virtually guaranteed,  he's not even at 900 yet ) and no World Series.

He gets no peripheral benefits on his baserunning, obp, defense (although he's better than you might think).

Does he get in as one of the dominant home run producers of his time, or is he a more charismatic version of Dave Kingman ?


Edited on: Oct 10, 2023 - 4:09PM

Oct 10, 2023 - 1:48PM
chvlDm

Might end up like Donaldson.  He got a late start, dominated for some years, then started fading a bit to soon to really rack up the career #'s for HOF consideration.  

Nov 20, 2023 - 1:55AM
Alomar_Collector

Buster Posey will never be in the Hall of Fame and neither will Joe Maue. Both Hall of Very Good. Goldschmidt Hall of Very Good. A few of the guys on the list haven't really played long enough to speculate upon for HOF.... and Judge doesn't have time on his side, but I think he MAY have a chance of he can perhaps win another MVP and reach 400-450 home runs, which would be tough...(Dale Murphy 398 HRs, 2,100+ hits, 2 MVPs, 7-time All-star and 5 Gold Gloves. He will get in but it may be a few more years)... Machado's chances will greatly depend on how long he can play and play well. If he stays healthy enough to be playing decently by age 35-36, he will get in... WAR, JAWS and all the other pseudo stats of Bill James are not reliable measures. Most of the rest of the guys on the list I agree will have good consideration for induction, unless they have a DWI or some other ridiculous thing that doesn't exemplify a perfect squeaky clean choir boy. But I think Jose Altuve will be a HOFer if he performs decently for 2-3 more seasons, or if he has 4-5 subpar seasons. He's accomplished way too much to not get strong consideration.


Edited on: Nov 20, 2023 - 2:13AM

Nov 20, 2023 - 3:52AM
chvlDm

Thanks for the feedback Alomar_Collector.  Dale M. is on my Hall of Snubs list and Altuve's on my Hall of Shamers list due to the trashcan scandal.

Dec 31, 2023 - 1:38AM
twinswin

It's nearly time to see if Beltre and Mauer get in. Personally, I see Beltre as first or second ballot and Mauer going anywhere from first to third or even fourth. I'll admit that I'm borderline incapable of judging Mauer objectively due to growing up watching him, but I'll make my case anyway.

He's got appeal for old-school and new-school voters alike. He measures up to other Hall of Fame catchers in sabermetrics (7th highest JAWS among catchers, 5th in WAR for catchers in their first 10 seasons). In the old-school category, he has three batting titles when no AL catcher before him had one and brought home plenty of hardware. He also has the character boost of a squeaky-clean public image and played his whole career with one team— his hometown team. Baseball people love that sort of story. Yes, his postseason record is disappointing, a series of concussions forced him to move away From catching, and those concussions as well as other injuries made his last five seasons largely mediocre, but I think the reasons I've listed above outshine those negatives. My final prediction for his vote percentage in his first year is 50-80%— a massive span to be sure, but one that I think captures the wide range of opinions and analysis I've seen (plus a healthy dose of bias, of course). In my heart, it's Mauer Sweep 2024, but I'm not a BBWAA voter.

Dec 31, 2023 - 4:26AM
chvlDm

Cool analysis twinswin, I am 100% sold on Mauer.  I admit I have a bias towards catchers, such a tough job.  

Jan 8, 2024 - 3:30AM
BigUnit

I think you could add Robby Cano to the list, sure he has a PED suspension but Ortiz is in so it doesn't really matter.

Jan 8, 2024 - 3:32AM
BigUnit

Also maybe Longoria who has more WAR than Machado and Freeman.

Jan 18, 2024 - 1:14AM
chvlDm

Thanks BigUnit.  I'll put Longoria on HM, Cano is on the Hall of Shamers list.



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