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Gator415
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Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:09 AM | |
Just finishing up sorting and adding these to my collection and I noticed the teams on here.....Some are listed with the college team and some are listed with the pro team (ex: #1 Webber - Michigan, but #2 Hardaway - Golden State). If I'm reading through the permissions for the Team listings, it should be the College team and not the Pro listed. Is this something I should go through and adjust for all of them????
Cards of players in their college uniform should only be associated with their professional team if the professional team is named on the card.
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Brimose
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Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:18 AM | |
The other variable for this set is that the drafting pro team is listed on the back of the card. So should both teams be tagged? I'm asking, I don't have the answer. I think my preference would be college team only since the pro team designation is so muted on the card, not like other draft pick cards that prominently feature the drafting team with logo, full name, etc. But I'm not married to that opinion, and open for debate
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randylaw
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Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:25 AM | |
There is a gray area there that needs clarified better since this comes up fairly often. On the back of the Webber card it mentions the team he was drafted by so it could qualify for the pro team based on permissions info you quoted. If you do that then collectors of the college would be upset because this looks like a college card.
Last time I brought something like this up there were valid arguments both ways so I just dropped working on it. Maybe admin should use this as an example in the permissions and give us some clarity. Not everyone will be pleased with the answer either way.
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Gator415
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Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:42 AM | |
Right and I see it both ways as the cards show the stats for the college, but also show what team drafted them. There is no designation of a particular team on the card. The way I would lean on this is that since there is no team designated and the player is showing in their college/minors (hockey) uniform, they should be listed as the college/minor team. Possibly with a tag for the Pro team so that way someone who is searching the DB for Golden State Players would still get the Hardaway card showing in the list.
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rmpaq5
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Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:46 AM | |
If the pro team is listed, either on the front or the back, the team reflects the pro team. If no pro team is referenced (an undrafted player) then the college team is the team listed.
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vrooomed
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Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:48 AM | |
- If the uniform pictured doesn't match the team listed on the card, which team goes in the database?
Sometimes when a set is released shortly after a player is traded, the card company doesn't have a picture of the player in the new team's uniform, so they use a picture of the player in their old uniform, but they'll list the new team on the card. In this case, the team listed on the card is the team that is assigned in the database.
The same thing applies to rookies pictured in their college or minor league uniform. If the player is pictured in their college or minor league uniform, but the team listed on the card is their professional team, the team that gets put into the database is the team listed on the card.
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Brimose
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Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:51 AM | |
So are we to interpret that the very small print on the back of the card 'drafted by' is the card's designation of the team 'listed on the card' as the FAQ indicates? Please read this in a sincere questioning tone, not a snarky tone :)
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rmpaq5
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Thursday, May 21, 2020 7:54 AM | |
Yes that is correct. "Drafted by Cleveland" would make the card a Cleveland Browns card as an example.
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Gator415
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Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:25 AM | |
I get what is shown in the FAQ and such, but I think that is directed at cards such as this:
https://www.tcdb.com/ViewCard.cfm/sid/3252/cid/828692/1990-Pro-Set-669-Jeff-George
Where Jeff George is shown in the U of Illinios uniform, but clearly shows Colts on the card. I would put this as a Colts card.
cards such as these have no designation or team listed as such. Since no team is listed, I would say the card such as this
https://www.tcdb.com/ViewCard.cfm/sid/56703/cid/1900713/1993-Classic-Four-Sport-2-Anfernee-Hardaway
should be listed as Memphis State and not Golden State.
I believe the intent of the FAQ was directed at the first card and not at the second....as if you gave both of those cards to any person (collector or not)...they would say the George should be a Colts card and the Hardaway would be a Memphis State card.
The other part with this is that the "team" is not listed....as with Hardaway, it says drafted by Golden State, but not Warriors. (to get around the copyrights....ala Donruss/Panini current times)...
As I don't want to wage a huge war over this.....a compromise as to what I mentioned somewhat before? A tag to the college team added to the cards so the college gets the proper representation also?
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Astros stole my signature.... - Chuck
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pistonfan
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Thursday, May 21, 2020 8:29 AM | |
And seeing as how Golden State immediately traded Hardaway, would a Warrior team collector even want the Hardaway and not the Webber? One rule on this site that I do not agree with at all.
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