2021 Stadium Club Baseball Forum

Special thanks to the member who thought so little of his fellow TCDB members that they uploaded the checklist here without any of the VARs. Great job. Hope those 5 points you got are well worth it. Since the member now has 131 points, we know they cannot help with updating any card numbers or adding any of the missing cards.

When will this end? When will people who have no clue what they're doing stop uploading incomplete checklists to these major releases, and in turn cause all this extra work for other people (because they don't have the ability to fix their own problems)? When!?!?!?

The SC checklist is missing all the VARs. They seem to still be a work in progress at other sites (and would be the case here as well). 

Unfortunately, the answer the to question of "When will it is end?" is probably never. Could we just get Admin to delete the whole thing so that someone that knows what they are doing can add it correctly? I know there would still be the chance some other person would add it again without doing all the work first. As often as this keeps happening for the past year or two, maybe that needs to be an option that us L8's can approve without Admin needing to be involved in deleting an incomplete CL. People adding crap without knowing what they are doing is part of the reason I've stopped caring about anything new - collecting them or correcting the listings here. It's become so redundant that I'm sick of dealing with it.

Hey guys!   I will admit that I did it.  I needed to add my new cards and saw the checklist wasn't in yet, so I thought I'd help.   I see it annoyed you pretty good.  I'm sorry for that.  I took the test and I got the permission to add a checklist.  I had never done it before, it was my first attempt after using this site for a year and not contibuting.  I am sorry that I got it wrong.   There was nothing in the permission test about checking for set variants so I didnt think about it at the time, and as you say, I couldnt go back and add them after.   I suppose I missed the comprehensive "how to" guide on the subject...   Maybe get down off your high perch and instead of being condescending and whining about it, help out your fellow members and teach them the right way.   

There have been numerous forum postings about this over the course of the past year (the time you've been a member). The posts actually go on beyond that but I don't expect you to go through forum posts from before you were a member.

It just seems to be, without fail, someone who has never even tried a small checklist who does these major relases and doesn't do them completely. It's getting tiring. Then those of us who handle IRs get flooded with "this VAR is missing" requests immediately following the checklist upload.

Many of us try to help the newer members do checklists the correct way and teach. There are many members on here whom I have personally helped. However, the only way I was able to know they wanted to upload a checklist is because they asked questions about it, and then we could help. This is like jumping into a lake with no one around, sinking to the bottom, and then asking "why didn't anyone tell me not to jump in and why isn't anyone helping?" Can't help you if we don't know what you're doing.

It is an unfortunate error but it brings to mind what I have been thinking for a long time now - every day, members should be made to read certain Forum posts, i.e. those pertaining to the site.  There is so much valuable information in those posts for exactly this type of thing.  Unfortunately I believe the only people who do read those forums are the regulars who already are aware of these issues.

It is obvious that many don't read any forum posts when they create a new thread that is about an issue that was discussed within the last few days or week. There are some days that I get frustrated looking at the overnight forum posts because it is like reading the daily tabloid.

Its fine to be upset at the situation.   I am sorry that more work was caused.  But taking that frustaration out on your fellow members is really not ok.  I'm fine, I can take it.   But others might get discouraged from ever contributing.  Maybe thats what you want?  But it shouldnt be.  If there need to be more safeguards in place, then lets lobby for that rather than insult and discourage others.    

I dont think forum posts should be concidered 'how to' manuals.    Nor do I think its reasonable to expect memberrs to read every forum post, or comb through forums for instructions on how to do things.    If there are truely this many problems, then there should be more restrictions and safeguards in place to prevent them.   

I dont chime in on much but i will now

When i just starting out i would search the forums for anything pertaining to what i was doing and then look at the members posting 

You will get an idea of who knows and who doesn't so i would message that member and ask for help

What did i get ? I got help

I never suggested help wasnt available if asked for.  I'm taking issue with treating other members with disrepect and discouraging others from contributing.  

Did I name you? No.

Did you do a disservice to the members who have VARs in-hand and want to list them - like you wanted to list YOUR cards so you uploaded an incomplete checklist? Yes.

Was I frustrated by yet another incomplete major release checklist last night when I wrote this post? Most definitely.

Could I have handled that better? Yes.

However, did it get your attention? Looks like it was effective in that regard.

I'm sorry if I was harsh in the commentary, however, this isn't the first major release to be uploaded by a newer member who "doesn't know any better" - this calendar year. (We went through the same for Heritage a couple months back, and the Topps flagship set is usually uploaded without concern for others.)

Believe me, I want you to understand the process. I want you to continue to contribute. However, if the contributions are going to continue to be incomplete and cause more work for other members, I'd personally rather it stop. Now, whoever has to update the checklist will spend more time to make updates that they would have spent if they were able to upload the whole thing from the beginning. 

Again, I'm sorry for the way I delivered the message last night. The message itself, remains the same. I am only sorry for the manner in which I delivered the message.