2020 Topps Update Baseball Forum

I realize some of us are being trolled into responding, but there are some blatant LIES being propagated in some of the posts before mine.

https://www.tcdb.com/Forum.cfm/Page/S/ID/237821/?MODE=VIEW&ThreadID=23958#146522

This thread that I post a link to is very much evidence that several members took A LOT of their time to attempt to explain how to create a checklist for uploading. It was very civil, never condescending, and there were many "big guys" in there attempting sincerely to help others understand how to enter a checklist, correctly and completely - the first time. (On a side note, when a checklist is entered correctly and completely the first time, it saves the "big guys" a lot of time - because it's only the "big guys" who have the permissions to do the things that fix the mistakes made. Two years back, someone neglected to include the SP VARs in a Topps set, and it took me about 3 hours to do the research and enter in all the VARs. Had I been given the opportunity to create the checklist and upload it, it would have taken about 30 minutes total. That is a significant time difference.) Anyway, to those saying that the "big guys" want to do it all themselves and don't help anyone else, that's a lie.

The statement regarding clarity is also a lie. Again, in the thread I posted above, everyone was very clear in explaining how a checklist needs to be correct and complete before posting. Additionally, if one goes back to the Permissions page, and clicks on the link for Level 5 Guidelines, this page is displayed: https://www.tcdb.com/Permissions.cfm?MODE=Level5&ACTION=Review, which gives VERY SPECIFIC info on how to format a checklist, how to upload it, and when the preview is shown, that if it doesn't look right, to "Start Over" and not proceed. (There is also wording in there [it's all from Admin] regarding "the checklist will not get imported properly causing unnecessary extra work to try to fix the problem" [emphasis added by me].)

I spend, on average, about 2 hours per day working on IRs. I know there are a few others who have been spending that, close to that, or maybe even more time than that doing the same. I would question how Admin used to get through so many requests prior to turning it over to the membership, but there were less sets and less members being so critical of every little thing. Since the IR system was turned over to the membership, approximately 116 IRs have been resolved daily. Some are simple (fix team, fix notes, etc.). Some are more complicated and require more IRs be entered (duplicate set, or these 100 cards don't belong on the checklist) and those can take a few hours to complete. And yet some others (such as add VARs for x set) can take days (the 1991 Fleer IR actually took me 3 weeks to "resolve"). This is no insignificant task for those who do this. I would caution anyone who thinks "that should be a simple fix" to actually go into the IRs and see exactly what it takes to get something done. In many cases, there is no "quick fix".

Scapegoat !

Whoa, clearly people have taken offense to something that was not meant to be offensive. 

And have kind of fallen off our rockers here. I was simply saying I thought about helping, but wouldn't attempt after knowing if a mistake is made you'd be publicly criticized.

If you guys have it all figured out, great! But also don't come down on people that they're not actively helping with the site. That's all I'm saying. 

If you think a 10 page forum post being used as an example to illustrate how people are willing to help those who ask makes you a scapegoat, that's your own problem. 

If you think that a post where no one even named who the original uploader was, besides one member posting a publicly accessible link, followed up by posts explaining the issues and how to best approach them in the future is public criticism, that's up to you to decide. 

If you have an issue with the "Big Guys" (lol) on this site, I invite you to do whatever you'd like because this is another one who's done. I'm done resolving IRs, I'm done responding to forum posts, and I'm done dealing with it. Y'all do whatever you want. Go ahead and fix your own issues and do whatever you please with this site. I've had about enough of it, and it's gotten to the point where this isn't really enjoyable anymore. Congratulations "little guys"; you won!

To those who have been a great support staff and done wonderful things for this site, keep doing whatever you can. I wish you the best and hope that you'll continue the success of this site. Be well. Good luck.

I've given a mea culpa a few times for starting it off all wrong. To help clear the air, seeing I'm the one that started this mess and I've said this earlier in the thread. Mistakes happen all the time here; I've made my fair share while learning and I'm still not perfect. When a person makes an innocent (didn't know, understand, still learning, etc.) mistake it's no big deal and everyone tends to pitch in to help. What we are driving at here is when the person KNOWS what they are doing is wrong and they go ahead and do it anyways as it suits their purposes, not the site's. It's that type of behavior we wish to avoid.

No one is coming down on those who don't actively help the site. Everyone is here for their own purposes and participates as they see fit or not at all. And everyone is okay with that.

And for the record, I'm only a lowly L6, not a "big guy", but I try to help where I can and where I feel comfortable. You won't see me scanning that's for sure. And this was my first 300+ card checklist I've uploaded, my largest before that was a 1914 tobacco set...so much EASIER on that one was. 

What I was referring to is a few weeks ago or so it was posted about how it's a member driven site and everyone should try to help out and pull some weight. Cool 👍 I spent time learning scanning and asking questions and started scanning missing images. I learned how pricing works, I've spent at least 30 minutes every day this week checking Ebay sold for random cards missing prices and adding them, cards not even in my collection so don't serve a benefit only to me but to help the community as a whole.   I have no problem helping out the site when I have time. 

This was never a "little guys" trying to "win" against "big guys" and y'all are getting WAY to overworked about two words. What would you prefer to be referred to as? An employee? An admin? A high point guy? Is it incorrect you are one of the big guys of the site? 

I like this site a lot.  In fact I don’t even know how I would manage this hobby anymore without it.  I’ve actually always been paranoid of something eventually causing the site to go away I rely on it so much.  I tried keeping my own excel for a little while before I realized how much work even that was.  So I hope some of these arguments don’t push people away from the site.

I agree, this site is great and everyone here is great. Some just took things out of context and I doubt anyone is going anywhere, some clearly need a break though as they're frustrated for whatever personal reason with the site. 

As for the site going away, that's actually something I hear often from one fellow Twitter friend. He tracks his entire collection on his pc as at any time an online database could disappear and be a complete waste of time tracking his collection on. I highly doubt it ever happens but do see his point. 

I do that too. I have multiple spreadsheets tha ttrack everything and mirrors what is in here. This site has lasted nearly a decade (actually, has it been more?) so hope is it'll be around for awhile more. But if it ever did at least I have info I need to move forward. I don't think this'll be a Zistle case.