1991 National Sports Cards 1978 Indianapolis Racers Hockey Forum

So a buddy sent me a text today asking abiut this card, somebody had it listed on the local for sale facebook page for ............... get this ...... $2000 Canadian. Unbelievable.

Mostly unrelated, but I saw a real Gretzky rookie in person for the first time today. At least, the first time since I became an NHL fan and cared. No telling what I may have seen at the almost weekly shows we had in the 90s.

By the way, my tablet tried to autocorrect Gretzky to great.

Hahaha

KIjjijji and facebook...absolute hillarity for cards....I have seen 1991 Fleer Baseball described as rare vintage for hundreds...or that Michael Jordan baseball "Rookie" from Upper Deck as "Ultra Rare Vintage Michael Jordan Baseball" for $1000s. I think we should come up with some sort of competition to find the funniest most outrageous facebook/kijjijji/craig's list/ebay ad per month. Everyone needs to put in a super duper rare 1990 Fleer Jose Uribe to be in...

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1990-FLEER-JOSE-URIBE-RARE-BASEBALL-CARD-JUST-PULLED-FROM-A-FRESH-WAX-BOX/132929132970?hash=item1ef33199aa:g:Q7YAAOSw2fRcSiEy

That could be fun! But I only have access to ebay of those sites you list and I don't check it as much as I used to do right now. I do find it hilarious when people list ANYTHING from the 1990's as "vintage" though. What idiots (or scam artists)! I have all of those cards you listed here and I'd be shocked to even sell any one of them for $5 after shipping. I have 8 copies of the Jordan '91 UD baseball #SP1 card alone!

Does anyone know if people actually buy that stuff for those amounts?  I really hope not, I would feel terrible if they did and be beyond angry if someone took that kind of cash for garbage.

I had to laugh because when you said they listed it for $2,000 CDN, I instantly thought back to the jokes from my late teenage years and early 20's where we would have said, "so they were selling it for $1.25 American?"  The rate was terrible back then.  I haven't looked recently to see where it is at today.

After reading the treads, What would be your cutoff for calling a card, vintage?

I've always thought 25 years or so was vintage, but as I've gotten older I seem to bump that up some.  Though I think at minimum 25 years is a good start.  It's hard to believe cards from the 90's could be considered vintage, but same goes for classic rock stations playing Pearl Jam and Soundgarden.

1994...vintage?  Vintage is very subjective since there's no legal definition.  I'd put it at 50 years...1969 and older.

For NBA, Star and older is vintage. That's 1985-86 and older. While that's not that long ago, the way that part of the hobby worked was different before then, it's a clean, clear break where things changed. 

NASCAR has no true vintage releases, but the argument could be made for any of the promos and oddballs issued before 1988 Maxx. For other forms of racing I would say anything before the A&S Indy sets. 

I have not learned for hockey, yet. 

For non-sports there is not as clear a demarcation as there is in the NBA. I tend to go with the somewhat arbitrary if it's older than me it's vintage take, but that works as well because I was born in 1984, which makes the Return of the Jedi set the last vintage issue. 

I suspect, in several decades, probably after the lifespan of everyone reading this, that eventually the vintage/modern break will be 1990/91. The change from brown or textured backs to glossy white cardstock affected every single sport and non-sports at the same time, pretty much. While that is still something we remember happening, there will come a time when that's not in the collective memory of the majority of collectors. Then, and only then, will that likely be the prevailing way of thought, and I don't think any of us will see it. Maybe Ian as he's a bit younger than the rest of us, but honestly I don't expect that to happen in the next hudred years.