1964 O-Pee-Chee The Beatles Black & White Non-Sport Forum

I'm putting this on my to-do list for later while I input new sets, but this could be a "fun" job for any Beatles fan who wants to make sure all of the cards in this set are at least secondarily linked to the band. If an entire set is devoted to one group, then the group should at least be linked below on every card, right?

It's not always a given. The subject of each card would determine if it's a Beatles card.  For example, and I repeat, just an EXAMPLE. IF there was a card that showed a venue they once played. Just a picture of the venue, no members shown, it would not get linked to the Beatles.  Or say a picture of the town of Liverpool; that would not get linked.

So, hypothetically, even in a set devoted exclusively to the Beatles or the Rolling Stones, where the set is named The Beatles! or named The Rolling Stones!, if the card shows a concert venue they famously started at or shows their tour bus or shows their childhood home but it doesn't directly show any member, then the card doesn't get linked to the band?

That is correct. It has to show band members to get linked to them.

Unless it's an image of an album, yes?

What about an image of a concert ticket or concert handbill, those would require a band link, correct?

Or an abstract image from a music video, like a Pink Floyd card that only shows the marching hammers from The Wall?

Is there a difference whether the hometown or concert venue is explicitly described in terms of its relationship to the band? Meaning, is there a difference between a card of a Liverpool landscape which simply reads "Liverpool" versus "The Beatles started in Liverpool"?

The ticket or handbill would presumably have the name of the band, else it would be pretty useless in a set about that band, so it can be linked to the band (only, not the individuals). A picture of the "Liverpool" town sign would have as much to do with the Beatles as it does A Flock of Seagulls, Echo & the Bunnymen, or Frankie Goes to Hollywood. Since those bands are also from there, should we link them to the town sign as well? Same as the venue. Should we link Billy Joel to a image of Shea Stadium in the Beatles set because he famously played there as well?

Artwork that was exclusive to an album would be able to be linked to the band - only if it's included in a set for that band. We did not link all the various bands in the Roger Dean artwork set. (Of course those images were just the artwork, no band names or logos, and I do believe Rogar has free reign over his work, so the images used on Yes' Fragile he could use elsewhere, if he so desires.)

"Since those bands are also from there, should we link them to the town sign as well?"

No, because I am only talking about a landscape or whatever in a set where the entire set is devoted to a single band and the set is literally named for the band, meaning, every single card is supposed to be a band-related reference. If a Beatles set shows a picture of Shea Stadium or the crosswalk at Abbey Road without explicitly naming the band on the card, I'm talking about the mere fact that it's a set 100% about the band where every card is about the band or else no card would exist for that subject in the set. I mean, I suppose a hypothetical Frank Zappa set might randomly have a card of a broken lamp or a bucket of popcorn for absolutely no reason, just to be absurd. But even in that case, the set being entirely band-dedicated should make that a band-linkable card, in my opinion. I cannot conceive of a band set where any card isn't linked to the band. But whatever the rules are, I'll abide.

vrooomed wrote:

The ticket or handbill would presumably have the name of the band, else it would be pretty useless in a set about that band. A picture of the "Liverpool" town sing would have as much to do with the Beatles as it does A Flock of Seagulls, Echo & the Bunnymen, or Frankie Goes to Hollywood. Since those bands are also from there, should we link them to the town sign as well? Same as the venue. Should we link Billy Joel to a image of Shea Stadium in the Beatles set because he famously played there as well?

Artwork that was exclusive to an album would be able to be linked to the band - only if it's included in a set for that band. We did not link all the various bands in the Roger Dean artwork set. 

This card of a recording studio does not get linked to every Motown group that ever recorded there.  The subject/image is a recording studio not a band.  Even if it were in a band specific set it wouldn't get linked to a band.

"Even if it were in a band specific set it wouldn't get linked to a band."

So even in a Stevie Wonder Biography set where every single card is about Stevie Wonder, that card wouldn't get linked to Stevie Wonder. So if that set existed and a Stevie Wonder fan is looking up the Stevie Wonder page to collect every single Stevie Wonder card ever produced, there'd be gaps in the sequence where that Stevie Wonder Biography set gets inputted, because according to the rules here that particular Stevie Wonder Biography set card wouldn't be a Stevie Wonder card. Okay.

I am aware of the current interpretation of the rule. No need to just repeat it to me. I am trying to describe why I think that rule wouldn't make sense in this particular single-band set situation.

NO! WRONG!  These cards in the 1989 Pacific Steve Largent set. A set dedicated to Steve Largent. They DO NOT get linked to Steve Largent; just the people pictured and named.  Each card in every set is treated individually in regards to linking people, teams, bands, etc.

Are you able to draw the connection and comparison? 

wigglestrue wrote:

"Since those bands are also from there, should we link them to the town sign as well?"

No, because I am only talking about a landscape or whatever in a set where the entire set is devoted to a single band and the set is literally named for the band, meaning, every single card is supposed to be a band-related reference. If a Beatles set shows a picture of Shea Stadium or the crosswalk at Abbey Road without explicitly naming the band on the card, I'm talking about the mere fact that it's a set 100% about the band where every card is about the band or else no card would exist for that subject in the set. I mean, I suppose a hypothetical Frank Zappa set might randomly have a card of a broken lamp or a bucket of popcorn for absolutely no reason, just to be absurd. But even in that case, the set being entirely band-dedicated should make that a band-linkable card, in my opinion. I cannot conceive of a band set where any card isn't linked to the band. But whatever the rules are, I'll abide.

vrooomed wrote:

The ticket or handbill would presumably have the name of the band, else it would be pretty useless in a set about that band. A picture of the "Liverpool" town sing would have as much to do with the Beatles as it does A Flock of Seagulls, Echo & the Bunnymen, or Frankie Goes to Hollywood. Since those bands are also from there, should we link them to the town sign as well? Same as the venue. Should we link Billy Joel to a image of Shea Stadium in the Beatles set because he famously played there as well?

Artwork that was exclusive to an album would be able to be linked to the band - only if it's included in a set for that band. We did not link all the various bands in the Roger Dean artwork set.