Mookie Betts Forum

It will be interesting to see how the new bar will look for career stats for starting pitchers in the next 10 years with the reduction of wins/innings per start in today's game..

Could #50 for St Louis be close?   195 wins and 3.38 ERA with one season to go?

Mark 

Xander Bogaerts is well positioned in my opinion.  A lot of hits for his age.

200 wins will likely be the new 300 wins. Putting aside all the analytics debate over the meaningfulness of wins for pitchers, if you can get to 200, you will have been a high end starting pitcher for a long period of time.

Pedro Martinez got in with 219 wins, Roy Halladay got in with 203. But moreso than their net stats, both were dominant pitchers versus their contemporaries. They are also 2 of the all time highest winning percent pitchers in history. Halladay was +98 (203 wins vs  105 losses), Martinez was an insane +119 (219 vs 100).

Kershaw is currently +110.

If you've got a better winning percentage than Sandy Koufax who you can't go wrong saying was the best post war pitcher, you're in ultra-elite company.

If you like wins and longevity, consider Bartolo Colon & CC Sabathia

If you appreciate closers,... Kenley Jansen, numbers similar to Kimbrel(already mentioned)

I really agree with the Greinke call, he is really fun to watch.

I know he is dominant these days, and with his recent signing, I wonder what it will take for deGrom to get in. He was a late bloomer and, like Chris Sale, is known to be great but injury-prone these days. Hopefully, UNlike Chris Sale, deGrom peels off some great seasons in Texas to give him a good chance to join Verlander, Scherzer, and Kershaw as automatics.

Also, wow chvlDM, it would be something awesome if Bartolo Colon somehow got in. He is one of those guys that was great for periods of time, and I can't believe he went 21 seasons! I think he's still out there pitching somewhere.

My first thought was Shohei Ohtani.  That guy is a monster all around.  While he doesn't lead in stats, he's near the top in both hitting and pitching stats.  If he can keep up his pace, I think he'll be strong consideration for the Hall.

Are you saying that Yadi is obvious?  He is Jim Sundberg.  (And I do not mean to slight Jim Sundberg. He and Yadi are damn fine ballplayers, but I have never heard anyone argue for Jim Sundberg as a Hall of Famer.)  If Yadi makes it in, I imagine it will be via Veteran's Committee.  He is the third best catcher of his era - that will be working against him.

Cole is another impressive player to watch.  He's currently 101 on the all time strikeout list with 1930 strike outs for 1650 IP.  That's 1.17 strike outs per inning.

The only active pitchers above him are
(12th on the list) Verlander 3198 SO - 3163 IP - ratio 1.01
(13th) Scherzer 3193 SO - 2682 IP - ratio 1.19
                (FYI, the only pitcher with more SO than either of the above two who is NOT in the Hall is Clemens)
(20th) Greinke 2882 SO - 3247 IP - ratio 0.89
(24th) Kershaw 2897 SO 2581 IP - ratio 1.12
(71st) Wainwright 2147 SO 2567.1 IP - ratio 0.84
(76th) Price 2076 SO 2143.2 IP - ratio 0.97
(79th) Sale 2064 SO 1678 IP - ratio 1.23
(80th) Bumgarner 2060 SO 2192.2 IP ratio 0.94

Then you have Cole at 101 on the list

myrke - regarding deGrom, he's currently 187 on the list with 1607 SO over 1326 IP for an impressive 1.21 radio of strike outs per inning.  His biggest fault is that he hasn't seen the amount of game time as those above had seen.

Nolan Aranado. In 10 seasons he has 10 gold gloves, 7 all stars, 300 home runs, and 52 WAR. He's only 31, healthy, and just finished 3rd in MVP voting.