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dgourlay
Posts: 84
Joined: Dec 2013
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| Monday, January 13, 2020 12:20 PM | |
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David Gourlay - Kanata, Ontario PC ; Gary Carter (Expos only), Roberto Clemente, Brady Singer, Mike Yastrezmski, Corbin Carroll Currently collecting ; 2015-21 Topps Archives, Brady Singer, the Yaz(s) |
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vrooomed
Posts: 14,938
Joined: Dec 2012
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| Monday, January 13, 2020 12:59 PM | |
That was a lengthy read, but worth the time spent. Wow! Manfred did not mess around.
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kcjays
Posts: 744
Joined: Jan 2012
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| Monday, January 13, 2020 1:07 PM | |
Wow indeed. I had predicted a suspension for the GM and manager, but was not expecting an entire year. Also the draft picks!! That's really a blow to the organization. I wonder what's handed down to the Red Sox?
I know I'm cynical, but I'd be willing to bet that EVERY club had something similar going on. Although, perhaps the Tigers, Orioles, Marlins and (my) Royals must have been really bad at it to still lose over a hundred games last year.
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jasongerman9
Posts: 1,902
Joined: Jan 2015
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| Monday, January 13, 2020 1:23 PM | |
Astros just fired Luhnow and Hinch too.
With all of the technology available today, this is something that was bound to happen. I too imagine that most, if not all teams, are using things to their competitive advantage that aren't what one would call "ethical". Still doesn't make it, and personally I'm glad to see harsh penalties handed down, as I would hope they would do their job as a deterrent for other teams in the future.
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sumboy11
Posts: 14
Joined: Jan 2019
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| Monday, January 13, 2020 1:28 PM | |
The punishment wasn't harsh enough. MLB should have taken away the Astros's only title. 2017 would result in a title-less season.
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KMack
Posts: 559
Joined: Aug 2017
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| Monday, January 13, 2020 1:32 PM | |
sumboy11.....
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Garrison
Posts: 312
Joined: Nov 2018
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| Monday, January 13, 2020 1:38 PM | |
I think the stats need that at least indicate with an * that Cheating was Proven
I got your back Mac
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Working projects: - Mark McGwire Complete Collection of playing year cards
- Always looking for a diamond in the rough, sorting through millions of cards, selling everything that is not a part of 1. lovin’ it.
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jimetal7212
Posts: 4,839
Joined: Dec 2016
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| Monday, January 13, 2020 1:39 PM | |
Common thread between both teams... Alex Cora. He could be in for a heap of trouble for himself personally. And as a Red Sox fan I feel cheated.
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My sins have come to face me, I can feel it That I have lived my life in vain And now I know I'll reap the seeds I've sown |
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Splinter_9
Posts: 743
Joined: Sep 2013
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| Monday, January 13, 2020 1:43 PM | |
I think I'm gonna be the minority opinion. The suspensions were justified. If they had been longer, probably stil justified. Fines and draft pick losses, justified.
I don't think you can take away the title. Its a thing that happened. They won. Sure they used means they shouldn't have. They're not the first team to do so (and no, that does not justify it), and they probably won't be the last. Possibly the most egregious case...and they're the ones that got caught. They still won. Thing is...everybody knows. Everybody will know. The title will be tainted. That's enough punishment for me.
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A man has to have goals — for a day, for a lifetime — and that was mine, to have people say, "There goes Ted Williams, the greatest hitter who ever lived." |
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fordwaters
Posts: 121
Joined: Jun 2019
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| Monday, January 13, 2020 1:47 PM | |
The Astros in 2017 were 48-33 at home but were 53-28 away. Did they bring the trash cans with them on the road?
I'm not defending the practice of cheating but this isn't shaving points or spiking the gatorade. Not to mention, those teams calling for the heads of others should be wary to cast too many stones. Glass houses and all that.
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