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PAHSports
Posts: 100
Joined: Oct 2022
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| Thursday, October 26, 2023 10:53 AM | |
The last thing we need is for adults to be expressing their own opinion of their transaction or being allowed to sort through member reviews and making up their own minds.
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Dodgydave
Posts: 805
Joined: Apr 2019
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| Thursday, October 26, 2023 12:49 PM | |
Thanks for the clarification.
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Dodgydave
Posts: 805
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| Thursday, October 26, 2023 1:01 PM | |
This was my question.
It seems surprising that an independent group is able to determine the trade experience of a person who did not receive what they were promised and with no communication were given something they did not want instead.
That sounds like a negative trade experience to me.
You could argue that the trader tried to make it "right" by replacing the damaged card but they only did so at their convenience and with no consideration for their trade partners interests.
Again, sounds like a negative trade experience and I would definitely want to know about it as a fellow trader.
I'm not trying to be negative on the TRB who in my eyes have an impossible job but judging people's feelings about trades as an outside party seems extremely challenging and fraught with frustrations such as these coming from parties who obviously felt they were treated poorly in trades and are now being told to essentially "suck it up and deal with it."
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budler
Posts: 1,983
Joined: Dec 2017
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| Thursday, October 26, 2023 2:24 PM | |
Just as I thought. As soon as someone did not like the outcome of a revisal of a feedback thing get little heated. I thought when we were allowed to reply to Neg feedback that that would take care of most issues. I thought (very short time) about being on the group but no way did I want to put myself into that position.
As I have not seen all the back and fore messages, I could not say what I would have done. Both sandyrust and dan do have a point.
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sandyrusty
Posts: 4,508
Joined: Dec 2014
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| Friday, October 27, 2023 5:06 AM | |
The problem is that the one who left the Negative Feedback is not included in the review process. So all of you who have left Negative feedback, no matter how well you explained why, could find them turned into Neutral feedback because the other member convinces the Board that they did no wrong.
An appeal process should include all those involved, not just the accused and a bunch of people looking to appease the scum of the earth.
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YoRicha
Posts: 340
Joined: Nov 2016
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| Friday, October 27, 2023 6:02 AM | |
The thought of having a review board for feedback is stupid. Someone feels they had a generally bad transaction and leaves negative feedback a group of people decide your transaction wasn't bad it was neutral.
Oh but wait, the review board is suppose to stop retaliatory feedback. So now it seems that someone had legitimate negative feedback and so they consider it retaliatory?
What happened to trade at your own risk? No matter how great an entity treats people, the reality of life is you can not please everyone. If negative feedback hurts your feelings maybe you shouldn't trade.
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Sportzcommish
Posts: 5,653
Joined: Oct 2016
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| Friday, October 27, 2023 6:52 AM | |
Bru, I can assure you that the reviews have not involved personal interviews, but have included requests for unedited/unredacted communications between the parties involved. The discussions are done entirely within the structure setup by admin for the board on each case. I also wish to reiterate, that feedback must be treated as an individual transaction, and must exclude information that is irrelevant to it.
I may have stated this already on a previous post on this thread, but let me also say that personally I have a 100% rating on over a thousand transactions, within those there is a neutral rating that I believe is unwarranted. It connotes dissatisfaction by my trade partner. So even though my rating seems unscathed, it isn't in my eyes. And this issue you're upset about I see through that same lens as being somewhat negative without the scarlet letter.
And YoRicha, the Transaction Review Board was set up to address various issues dealing with trades/purchases and its service is not required of anyone, but it's there if you need it.
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“Aslan didn't tell Pole what would happen. He only told her what to do. That fellow will be the death of us once he's up, I shouldn't wonder. But that doesn't let us off following the signs.” - Puddleglum in The Silver Chair by C. S. Lewis
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sandyrusty
Posts: 4,508
Joined: Dec 2014
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| Friday, October 27, 2023 7:08 AM | |
I repeat, let's abolish this review process as it now changes one person's perspective about a transaction by a bunch of members who do not have any background to what transpired.
Either that, or let's petition our governments to release all those in prison because, really, did they really do something as bad as what the jury decided they were guilty of?
Time to admit, this is a failed venture if a board can change someone else's feedback especially without notifying the member who submitted the feedback.
I also wish to reiterate, that feedback must be treated as an individual transaction, and must exclude information that is irrelevant to it.
I also just read a feedback on someone where it had absolutely nothing to do with a transaction but was a hateful feedback to stop others from possibly engaging in trades with the individual it was posted against. That feedback should have been deleted in its entirety and the member who left it warned that such behaviour is not tolerated. Yeah, that's going to happen considering who it is that left the feedback.
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Bruno -------- Check my Profile page to see my 2023 Goals and my Lists of sets near completion (5 cards or less) or sets getting close (less than 100 cards missing and 75% complete). https://www.tcdb.com/Forum.cfm/Page/B/ID/0/?MODE=VIEW&ThreadID=25745&C=0
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Sportzcommish
Posts: 5,653
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| Friday, October 27, 2023 7:14 AM | |
Bru, we're not Big Brother. Feedback like that must be reported to us by the membership.
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“Aslan didn't tell Pole what would happen. He only told her what to do. That fellow will be the death of us once he's up, I shouldn't wonder. But that doesn't let us off following the signs.” - Puddleglum in The Silver Chair by C. S. Lewis
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mrrippy82
Posts: 118
Joined: Dec 2021
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| Friday, October 27, 2023 7:25 AM | |
Not saying I would abolish the board but your trade scenario given all the details warrants a negative in my opinion. Mainly because you specifically asked condition based on a previous trade where a card was bricked, trader assured you it was in great shape. (And from my understanding did not communicate this the fact that it wasn’t actually in good condition and that they were replacing with a sub? you discovered the missing card and the replacement when the letter arrived correct?)
if all that is accurate, yeah, agreed this should be a neg and don’t understand why it would have been changed to neutral
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