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stevejrogers
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| Sunday, September 30, 2018 10:59 AM | |
This is really an issue for Pro Wrestling cards, as I can see going insane trying to parse out character names in an actor's index of non-sport cards (especially if a set could include an off-set shot or the actor's headshot for whatever reason (auto, memorabilia, etc)) but I don't know if this should entirely be the case with Pro-Wrestling?
I'll give you situations where its clear the characters have become, or are the same person (Mick Foley's personas, Goldust was "outed" as being Dustin Rhodes early on in his first run, 123 Kid/Syxx/X-Pac, etc) but sometimes its probably on the easier side when collecting to keep names seperate when they weren't part of the character's kayfabe for a long time?
I.e. "Razor Ramon" and Scott Hall. Hall is in the WWE Hall of Fame as the Razor Character, despite using his real name in the AWA, and after he left the WWF the first time (his original pre-WWF run in WCW he was known as The Diamond Studd) So on WWF products from that time frame, and when using images of Hall from that time frame (92-96) its labled as the character "Razor Ramon." So it seems Razor Ramon probably would be better to label cards that state the character name, as opposed to putting them all in Hall's category.
Or it probably would be a bit confusing to use "The Undertaker" label on Mark Calaway's cards as Mean Mark Callous in WCW before 'Taker was created.
Then again, I guess its the same reason why Wings records is listed with Paul McCartney solo material in various music sorting platforms (physical and digital) as its easier to keep things like that together (especially when McCartney himself deep dives into Wings material when producing previously released content albums and the like).
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stump417
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| Sunday, September 30, 2018 11:24 AM | |
Just wondering if it would work to add an alias to the characters. Would that properly address the characters and the real person? I think that would work. Check FAQ under the names section. "How do I add an alias to a name?"
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CollectingAfterDeath
Posts: 1,219
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| Sunday, September 30, 2018 12:14 PM | |
I wish I had a clue. Good luck!
Edited on: Nov 4, 2018 - 7:09PM
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stevejrogers
Posts: 352
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| Sunday, September 30, 2018 12:25 PM | |
BTW, working on a list that includes the character The Godfather, as the performer has been known for since the very late 1990s. I guess since the gimmick evolved from him being called "Kama", cards featuring Kama are included in the Godfather index, but the same wrestler was the Papa Shango character, who was a "somewhat" significant character for a couple of years prior, before being completely repackaged as "Kama." Yet Papa Shango is seperate in the database.
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Billy Kingsley
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CollectingAfterDeath
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| Sunday, September 30, 2018 12:33 PM | |
Edited on: Aug 14, 2020 - 11:17AM
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stevejrogers
Posts: 352
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| Sunday, September 30, 2018 1:52 PM | |
Now I really want a massive Beatle set that includes album and single artwork from all 4 member's solo outputs. Including Wings and Traveling Wilburys!
=;)
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stevejrogers
Posts: 352
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| Sunday, September 30, 2018 1:56 PM | |
Side note, this list I'm working on was intended to be a physical project, but now I'm suddenly realizing how many holes it would have, either by means of pricing on rare or vintage cards, or the fact that some of these wrestlers/performers just don't have the volume of cards that I thought they would have.
Oh well!
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switzr1
Posts: 6,332
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| Sunday, September 30, 2018 2:56 PM | |
Yeah, the thing to remember, Steve, is that until the last fifteen years or so, there just weren't a ton of wrestling cards out there (before the explosion of parallel sets and entry of TNA cards). So some gimmicks, even well-known ones, never appeared on a card. I spent countless hours combining names before the alias feature existed, but because more sets kept getting added with alternate names, I couldn't keep up until the alias feature, AND the ability to delete a name, were created. (I know other members have worked on this too, so I don't intend to sound like a glory-hound here). When doing the changes manually, I favored the name on the most cards over the name best known as. It was easier to move two Razor Ramon cards to Scott Hall, than to move 300 Scott Hall cards to Razor Ramon. I don't think a Mean Mark Callous card exists, nor Master of Pain or any other pre-Undertaker name. So there is no reason for those to exist as aliases for Undertaker. But sometimes Topps throws a wrench in thing by putting a card like Papa Shango in a modern set, and if he isn't set up as an alias to Godfather already, and somebody uploads the checklist without looking at this first, somebody else inevitably creates a Papa Shango PID rather than creating the alias.
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I'm going to reevaluate how I collect after the new year. It's just getting way too expensive for the new stuff. Sometimes I just want to buy a pack, not a whole box or even blaster.
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stevejrogers
Posts: 352
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| Sunday, September 30, 2018 3:18 PM | |
Yup, you're right. For some reason I thought I saw a Mean Mark card as one of the Skyscrappers tag team in an early WCW set. But the set I was thinking of was produced in 1991 and Mark was long gone by then.
So any chance of a "Mean Mark" card will now REST! IN! PEACE!
Sorry...had to say it =;)
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