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myrke
Posts: 693
Joined: Aug 2020
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| Tuesday, August 1, 2023 5:30 PM | |
As an active trader, I try to get cards to people who Want them. I may not always make the best proposals, as they really are just feelers in the hopes that someone accepts or possibly takes the time to counteroffer (since I took the time to put the initial offer together). Profile language about what wants and for what is great and all, but I'd like to think that if a card is on one's Want list then that card must be needed for something and that a trade could happen. Even if the offer is absolutely egregiously off, making a counteroffer that makes sense, or at least a note stating why the initial offer didn't make sense, is courteous.
I know these kinds of posts have been posted numerous times, but once in a while I feel that it's a good idea to keep the word 'communication' in everyone's mind.
Edited on: Aug 1, 2023 - 5:45PM
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Uncorrected Error
Posts: 259
Joined: May 2019
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| Friday, August 4, 2023 6:54 PM | |
Not really sure what your point is.
I gave up trying to maintain accurate want and trade lists quite a while ago. With the latter, I don't propose or accept a trade without looking for and finding the card first. With the former, it might be that I was considering trading for it and went in a different direction. Or it might be that I got a different card of that player. Or I might still want the card.
I'm not a full-time trader and I'm not obsessed with a specific team or player, so my interests are kind of all over the place. It's just not realistic to think I can know about all the cards out there.
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Slug03
Posts: 251
Joined: Sep 2016
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| Friday, August 4, 2023 8:26 PM | |
Even if the offer is absolutely egregiously off, making a counteroffer that makes sense, or at least a note stating why the initial offer didn't make sense, is courteous.
Wrong. If you send an offer for my 2019 Topps Tatis RC for a common of Joe Schmo (I bring this up because this has happened), you're going on my block list instantly. No ifs ands or buts. You mention all this time it takes to set up trades. It doesn't take much time to do some research on card values to propose something reasonable. Obviously, I'm not saying it has to be perfectly even down to the dollar or cent, but if you're sending, as you put it, "egregiously off" trade offers, don't expect a reply.
The way I look at it, you are either too lazy or ignorant to look up card values, or are fishing for a lopsided trade in your favor. None of these are a good look, and even if you meant well, I don't want to risk it, and I'm not going to waste my time on you. I've seen this story waaaaaay too many times. For every one that means well, there's 5 or 10 who are trying to get a deal. It's nothing personal, I just don't feel like wasting my time either (a) doing the research you didn't do or (b) putting that work in if you are just going to reject an even offer because you are fishing for lopsided trade in your favor.
If you really want a card on someone's trade list but don't have an appropriate return package, just message that person asking if there is any way to trade for the card(s) you want.
Edit: I want to be clear I am not accusing you of this in any way whatsoever. I just disagree with that one take is all.
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myrke
Posts: 693
Joined: Aug 2020
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| Friday, August 4, 2023 8:48 PM | |
I appreciate the edit, Slug03. I still think that, if someone has been trading here for a while and doesn't look like a fly by night outfit, a counter or comment to possibly get a trade done is considerate. Each person is different, though, so block away if you wish. I'm just really annoyed when I think a trade is close and the other person doesn't take the time in their trade rejection to explain why it isn't. Maybe my evaluation is off, or maybe it's actually theirs.
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timriess
Posts: 134
Joined: Jun 2020
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| Friday, August 4, 2023 9:00 PM | |
I agree with myrke. Card values, like beauty, are in the eye of the beholder. Its always courteous to respond to trade offers, even if you are declining them.
Be excellent to each other.
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budler
Posts: 1,985
Joined: Dec 2017
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| Friday, August 4, 2023 10:18 PM | |
As myrke stated there are many of this type of postings and everyone is different. SO!! no matter how frustrating it becomes.:
1. Do not take things personally.
2. Remember not everyone will reply to offers or messages.
3. Not everyone is willing to take time to counter or add a note. For whatever reason.
4. Life gets in the way of card collecting so some may be really slow.
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T206
Posts: 688
Joined: Feb 2018
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| Saturday, August 5, 2023 9:11 AM | |
Take me for example
i work away from home and i do not bring my 26 binders with me. So when an offer comes over i am looking if it is a close / fair trade first and if it is i try my best to let him/her know how long it will be until i get home. If they cant wait feel free to cancel the trade if they are willing to wait thats great.
depending on how many trades and or cards their are tells me how quick i get to all the trades. If its just 5 card per trade i can usually get to 20 trades or more. But if its 50 cards across 25 differnt years and sports well it takes time so i might just get to that one trade But i do my very best to pull and accept. 95% of the time i go with the trade offer number but the occasional i need to counter back takes the back seat to the last trade but a counter or response is always made
now with my new days off schedule i am sure my trade numbers will go down even more but at the same time with more days off I actually might be able to send trade offers.
i may not be the best trader out there but i try my best not to cancel a trade but i have. For example a trader only wants SN# cards of stars/ superstars and HOF but wants to send me a base card of a common it doesnt fly to well with my gut feelings. In my mind this trader is looking for a sucker and i will counter back if time allows and give them a way off counter in my favor.
i dont look up pricing i dont have the time if the trade feels good i will do it if the trade if off i say something or let it sit there while i think about it
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CardFlipper1974
Posts: 87
Joined: Feb 2020
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| Saturday, August 5, 2023 10:41 AM | |
Blocking someone because you don't like the trade they proposed is ridiculous. Be nice, explain why your not accepting or counter. Simple.
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dettigersmlb
Posts: 364
Joined: Dec 2019
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| Saturday, August 5, 2023 1:10 PM | |
I get trade offers all the time that are either one off ridiculously on value or someone is offering base cards for SPs or base for #'d or base for auto cards. It was happening so much with Heritage SPs that I updated my profile to reflect that I do not trade Heritage SPs for anything other than SPs I need. Do I still get these types of trade request...yes, but not as much. I get it that not everyone reads profiles top to bottom before proposing a trade, and even if they do that doesn't mean they are going to take any of that into consideration when proposing a trade either. With that said, before declining I will at least look at the matching report to see if they have SPs that I need. On occasion if they do but they only have two and they are requesting five I will look and see if they have SPs that I don't need and at least counter to help them out as I am getting the same number of SPs back and the cost of postage is worth it to receive a couple back that I need. It's a win for both sides. If they don't have SPs that I need, I will decline and advise that I hold all my SPs for SPs that I need and to reach back out should they ever add any to their tradelist that are on my wantlist.
Also, when people speak of trades of equal value...well equal value doesn't mean I am going to send 3 cards worth a total of $15.00 and receive back $15.00 worth of base cards. I'm not saying I won't, but I like to keep each card matched up with cards of equal value. It also comes down to what someone's focus is in collecting; downsizing, finishing up a particular set, preference in player PC vs set building etc... there are variables to value and dollar value isn't always the focus and yes one's focus may change from time to time.
Long story short, trades come down to value, supply, demand and focus and one should not expect that everyone views things the same as you do.
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Kaline6
Posts: 741
Joined: Nov 2014
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| Saturday, August 5, 2023 1:35 PM | |
I have turned down trades where both sides were equal value, and the cards were on my want list, but I was offered (for example) Gypsy Queen for a set that I have only 5% complete, and the cards wanted were from sets that I was near completion but would rather trade those cards for cards from the same set. I am considering removing all sets below a certain completion percentage from my wantlist, but I'd hate to miss an offer of those cards, for cards I would be willing to trade for them. I do try to explain to the offering party my reason. I don't know if this makes any sense.
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