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althib
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| Sunday, October 23, 2022 9:40 PM | |
We all know that the price guide here is far from being perfect, but you gotta see some prices on Ebay. I got curious and went to get a look over there and I don't know if it is fun or sad to see all the folks trying to squeeze a quick buck on Tim Horton's hockey cards. We should make a list of the worst prices we have found. Just tonight, I found someone trying to get 7.50 for a Ehlers base + hockey triumph card and 6 bucks for 3 Tavares base cards. As bad as it is, I am about to figure out if I'll run a contest for the worst Timmy offer found there. Your comments are welcomed.
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SET BUILDER: Baseball ◉ Hockey ◉ Misc. Sports ◉ Non-Sport & Oddballs PC: Felipe Alou ◉ Derek Aucoin ◉ Steve Begin ◉ Jennifer Botterill ◉ Kevin Dineen ◉ Laurent D.-T. ◉ Bob Kudelski ◉ Manon Rheaume ◉ P.J. Stock
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althib
Posts: 995
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| Sunday, October 23, 2022 9:54 PM | |
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SET BUILDER: Baseball ◉ Hockey ◉ Misc. Sports ◉ Non-Sport & Oddballs PC: Felipe Alou ◉ Derek Aucoin ◉ Steve Begin ◉ Jennifer Botterill ◉ Kevin Dineen ◉ Laurent D.-T. ◉ Bob Kudelski ◉ Manon Rheaume ◉ P.J. Stock
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jlamberth
Posts: 425
Joined: Feb 2015
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| Monday, October 24, 2022 12:41 AM | |
I'm not really sure you can call what is in TCDB a "price guide." It's really just a record of transactions from all over the place that statistically has no real merit other than as a record for what a TCDB member paid for a certain card one time.
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Turning off trading because my collection is in complete disarray after moving and I don't know when I can get it organized.
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Oldtimer
Posts: 186
Joined: Dec 2019
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| Monday, October 24, 2022 8:35 AM | |
I always just check the "Sold" listings for cards and not go by the unsold asking prices on Ebay. With the exception of "some" of the 2022-23 Tim Horton's inserts, sold prices range anywhere from $0.75- $2 per card. The Flow of Time inserts are of course the higher priced cards averaging around the $20 CAD mark.
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"To Be-Leaf or not to Be-Leaf"?
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myrke
Posts: 697
Joined: Aug 2020
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| Monday, October 24, 2022 10:32 AM | |
I do wonder who these folks are catering to. Experienced collectors will know, while novice collectors probably know just enough if they're on Ebay to not just buy anything out there (plus, they're probably pack-scrounging more than being in the market for oddballs). I can only think that either these sellers are trying to hook older folk who may not know about researching Sold values (taking on the non-tech savvy) or it's all just one big money laundering scheme, even if it's for small money.
The fact that some people use the term 'vintage' for 90s commons must mean that there are enough suckers out there to keep banging that misrepresentative drum.
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ironfireman
Posts: 74
Joined: Apr 2021
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| Monday, October 24, 2022 10:54 AM | |
"Buy It Now" prices are generally about 2x what "Sold" auction prices are on eBay. Plus you'll always find "idiot" prices I.E. 10x-20x the going rate for "rare misprints" & "Error" cards.
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budler
Posts: 1,990
Joined: Dec 2017
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| Monday, October 24, 2022 2:34 PM | |
I agree with jlamberth
It is not just E-Bay. Take a look at COMC when the different between the lowest asking price and the highest can be 10x or larger. The largest one I have seen was .50 low and $49.99 high. You see it at all the sites one guy want a little and another one wants arm and a leg.
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CardSlave
Posts: 88
Joined: Aug 2021
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| Friday, October 28, 2022 4:55 PM | |
Actually the price guide works fine here….IF prices were put in regularly and no one cheated how the price was obtained. And as long as ridiculous prices were overseen and removed. So, yeah some policing is needed to some degree. This site does smart pricing at the median average of all prices of that card that have been entered. So, when 5 ( or some number of prices not actually sure) or more prices are entered for a specific card the system sets a “median price”. Meaning around the middle of what the lowest and highest prices that were entered are. So if you have a Tom Brady card that a few people bought for a $1, and 2 more people paid $4, then the median price for that card is about $2.50 or so. Makes total sense. Average is what the laws of life are bonded by.
And another nifty reason it can be nice (could be better but…) is that not all commons are .18 cents like Sportnots, I mean Sportslots or whatever that terrible place is. And Beckett does all commons much the same way with same pricing. You might have a semi-star card of someone and according to Beckett and Sportsnot that card is .50 cents just like a true commoner of a player that didn’t last 2 years in the pros but their card is also .50 cents? That makes no sense. TCDB has very few pricing repetitions like that….well until the Sportlots merger. Now we have tons of .18 cent commons lining up. And that’s sad but must be what the site and hobby are moving towards. Anyway, I like the concept for pricing here because they allow not just eBay as a price contributor. I sell cards on a site and I am able to add those prices to TCDB to help show sales on cards. Sometimes my cards prices are inflated a little because of fees or shipping, but if someone pays it then that’s commerce. I’m in no way going to ask for crazy money on a card I know isn’t true to the price. But I might sell a $1 card for $3. Or a .50 cent card for $2. That to me isn’t the same thing. So my point here is that there are some cool aspects and alright pricing tools on the site. There is always room to improve. But a big part of the problem is also lack of member or user input.
1,000 great members can’t keep up with tens of thousands of users and new cards and new sets being added all the time, so pricing takes a back seat a bit. But it’s truly more accurate than say Beckett with its flat pricing and repetitious pricing of commoners. I don’t know, maybe I’m wrong but I see the possibilities anyway.
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jmkidd
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| Friday, October 28, 2022 5:21 PM | |
as far as the buy it now price I always have mine set a little high but accept offers. You can always lower the price but can't really raise it so always leave a little wiggle room.
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MaskedNinja
Posts: 11
Joined: Sep 2022
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| Friday, October 28, 2022 5:32 PM | |
I've been buying and selling from yard sales, flea markets, swap meets, Ebay, Storage auctions, live Auctions (Small local ones and huge national ones) and the most constant variable when buying and selling used items to me is ..... "It's worth what ever someone pays for it!"
I'm not obligated to inform someone at a yard sale (or any other sale) that their item(s) maybe be way under valued. I can offer them a fair price instead of paying them their asking price, or I could pay them what they like. Either way, the seller, in that case is almost always happy regardless of the moral ground you choose to take.
I've sold things for low because I didn't know the value and I've also listed things way to high because of Ebay's recent sales and using the "Sell one like it" feature that automatically listed a price based on the one that sold. I've had a $3 dollar card listed for $500 because one recently sold for that. But, if someone would have purchased it, I would have sold another at the same price or higher .... because to me, it will always be ... "It's worth what ever someone pays for it!"
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