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sahal694
Posts: 1,062
Joined: May 2016
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| Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:32 AM | |
I'd like to bring this topic up, even if it may have been discussed aleady because I have seen the solution go different ways in the past.
I have a card from the 2019-20 Donruss Basketball Jersey Series set that I am unable to add to my collection because the checklist is missing. This is one of those situations where Panini refuses to actually release an accurate checklist in regards to the card numbering. We know who the players are but the checklist is numerical when in fact the cards are lettered.
In the past, I have seen the checklist uploaded with the numbers. I have seen a lot of people opposed to this.
In my opinion though, I think it is better to upload the checklist so people can check cards off on their collection and we as a community can fix them as members add them to their collection and add scans. Also, this allows multiple people of our own community to change the card number to the accurate lettering at the same time.
I have seen sets in the past like this where is doesn't take that long to get it completed.
But the way it is now, there is no checklist at all. I unfortunately don't have even a fraction as much of free time for the hobby as I have had in past years, and researching 100 cards online to hunt for the card letters is a task that will take me a much longer than the alternative. Not to mention that not a single card is on COMC and not every card is on Ebay either. I am finding that some that are on Ebay also don't have a picture of the back of the card.
So what's the concensus on this? I feel like it makes much more sense to allow our own community to slowly work on these real time by editing the "incorrect" checklist than to basically just have one person relying on outside sources that may or may not have all of the cards yet for research to complete the checklist themselves.
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jmiller4
Posts: 409
Joined: Apr 2015
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| Wednesday, January 8, 2020 8:49 AM | |
I recently started a new Basketball PC of former Texas A&M players and have been changing quite a few of the checklists that were added. I do not mind making the corrections when I have the time but it is time consuming. Most of the ones that I have been changing are just the prefixes left off of inserts and their parallels. I prefer to see a checklist and do not mind making the changes when I can but that is just my opinion.
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stump417
Posts: 209
Joined: Feb 2018
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| Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:12 AM | |
I will address this with an example. I started a thread last night on the 2019 Panini Prime racing. The set is now loaded on TCDB with 150+ checklists to be added. Most of those 150+ consist of Inserts with autos, memoribilia or both which are the sets that Panini can't be bothered to provide correct checklists for. So if checklists are loaded matching Panini that is 150 checklists that will need to be fixed and that is just one set in one sport. In addition, what happens constantly on here is that the checklists are loaded without proper notes because again copying from Panini results in just SN being added (not AU; AU,MEM; MEM). Again a big pain and wasted time.
Rushing to get the checklists without proper research just to get checklists loaded is not the way to do this, but it happens way too often. It happens often enough because there are several members more concerned with getting points than in actually contributing to the accuracy of the site. I looked around for maybe 1/2 hour last night with the Panini Prime racing set last night and was able to determine what the proper prefixes for probably close to half the sets. Yes there is still a lot to do to sort them properly, but to do it right the first time is the correct way to approach this.
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Arkansas Traveler
Posts: 516
Joined: Apr 2019
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| Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:27 AM | |
Would someone please kick Panini in the backside? Maybe someone go to their HQ in Irving, TX and explain the frustration. It's sad to see, eventhough I don't collect these cards, the headache that the lack of a checklist is causing on this site. I don't blame the mods here one bit for waiting until a proper and complete checklist is put out. It will only make the collector's lives easier when listing and uploading the cards. So I agree with Stump. Patience, something hard to come by these days.
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vrooomed
Posts: 14,438
Joined: Dec 2012
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| Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:39 AM | |
Sorry Shannon and jmiller4, but I'm also in the camp of let's get it right the first time.
As someone who has spent most of their time on the site in the Inaccuracies Manager area since it's creation 2.5 years ago, I've seen a large portion of the edit requests that have come through. I also have seen the evolution of the tools that Admin has given us to use there, and several are actually responses to the thousands (yes THOUSANDS) of Panini checklists that have been uploaded with the incorrect data. So, this isn't about 1 or 2 checklists being added that need a couple numbers changed. This is basically a problem here of truly epidemic (at least within Panini releases) proportion. And sadly, that's not an exaggeration.
It's wonderful that you both are willing to fix these checklists (and do so), but unfortunately, you can't even fill a drop in the bucket in the time it takes for the next release to come out and fill the database with error-filled checklists. By time you've fixed one release's checklists, Panini has released 6 more products. Honestly, adding incorrect checklists only to have to go back to fix them is unsustainable, and it leaves the work in someone else's hands.
I realize there are people who enjoy making these fixes - I understand, I enjoy fixing the errors as well, it's why I live on the IR page - but we've grown. We understand more. Let's get these right the first time. Let's have a little patience about adding the cards into our virtual collection.
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ColinS
Posts: 66
Joined: Oct 2018
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| Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:45 AM | |
Hi, I have separate Excel master spreadsheets for Football and Basketball where I keep almost all of Trading Card DB missing checklists on one sheet (mostly starting with 2018 and newer cards since thats when I really started to be proactive on the site). This is where I can process the "correction" for Panini's numerical nonsense. It's sometimes a slow process to get to all the cards as it takes time to visually verify each and every card.
Jersey cards typically take less than a month to process once released but Autographed sets are much slower beacuse almost each and every set has at least one Redemption Card and so the REAL number is not typically known until the redemptions are fulfilled.
I would personally hope that people just wait out the process because correcting checklists is much harder and extremely time-consuming.
Specifically speaking to Sahal694- I had already started the process for the 2019-20 Donruss Basketball Jersey cards. I will bump those sets to the top of my to-do list for today and see where I stand.
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edk
Posts: 691
Joined: May 2016
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| Wednesday, January 8, 2020 9:47 AM | |
+1,000,0000
To the OP , I believe you are able to go through what Panini supplies for a CL and make the needed corrections, then get in touch with someone on here who can add a CL. At that point supply the info. you have complied so it can be double checked by that person before upload. This approach may get what CL you want added a little quicker (and properly) to the database.
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stump417
Posts: 209
Joined: Feb 2018
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| Wednesday, January 8, 2020 10:34 AM | |
Just for a example, I have added the 4 Timeline Signature inserts and parallel insert sets and I spent about 45 minutes. If the sets were added using the Panini checklists it would have taken far longer to get them right. Would need an IR for each set and then 2 L8's to approve the IR. And that is not counting the time it would take to do the sets incorrectly(which for sake of argument would be 30 minutes.
Just do it right the first time
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Billy Kingsley
Posts: 7,493
Joined: Aug 2011
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| Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:42 PM | |
Do it right or don't do it at all.
If you want inaccurate crap Becket is glad to provide you with that.
Doing it fast instead of doing it right just to get it done is the epitome of lazyness, selfishness and simply not caring.
I have been trying to get admin to revoke the right of checklist posting for the people who do that...so far he hasn't, likely because he knows there are saps like me who give up part of their lives to fix the idiocy of others.
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FreehanSolo
Posts: 1,039
Joined: Nov 2017
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| Wednesday, January 8, 2020 2:59 PM | |
100% agree with the "do it right the first time" crowd--nobody wants to spend hours and hours fixing IRs for that many parallels, etc.. I don't mind keeping a list of cards I need to add if they're not in the DB and then adding them once the checklists are ready.
In general I think a good rule of thumb for Panini products is that the checklists available online aren't going to be accurate, and the corollary is that as you're going through the process of uploading a checklist, first check with a good resource like COMC or eBay to look at the backs of actual cards to get actual numbers. That's a good way of verifying that you're got the right info
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