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Kirk
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| Wednesday, October 8, 2014 1:01 PM | |
If a card has an image of a player but there is no team name on his uniform, and if the card doesn't call out a specific team, should he be associated with a particular team when he's entered into the database? As an example I point to the 2012 Panini Cooperstown King Kelly card (card #28). The front of the card lists no team while the back of the card shows a single season stat line when he played for Chicago and his lifetime totals. In the Trading Card Database his team is listed as "Cincinnati Reds / Boston Braves". I'd think he should either be listed with no team or with all the teams he played for. |
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NJDevils
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| Wednesday, October 8, 2014 1:57 PM | |
I think the bigger question is why he is even in the HOF. Did he invent a piece of baseball equipment or something because his stats dont warrant him being in the HOF. Same with Rick Ferrell. Why is he in but not Wes Ferrell? |
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ThemightyOx
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| Wednesday, October 8, 2014 2:16 PM | |
From wikipedia:
He is also often credited with helping to popularize various strategies as a player such as the hit and run, the hook slide, and the catcher's practice of backing up first base.
In only the second vote since its creation in 1939 the Old Timers Committee (now the Veterans' Committee) elected Kelly to the Baseball Hall of Fame in 1945.
Wiki also says that he may have been the inspiration for the poem Casey at the Bat.
As for team.. I would put no team. This is whats done for other players where they are on cards but not in uniform. Nolan Ryan has a 110 card set and it seems the ones without him in uniform were listed with no team. Same with the 1985 Pete Rose set I believe. NJDevils wrote: I think the bigger question is why he is even in the HOF. Did he invent a piece of baseball equipment or something because his stats dont warrant him being in the HOF. Same with Rick Ferrell. Why is he in but not Wes Ferrell?
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Kirk
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| Thursday, October 9, 2014 8:55 AM | |
With regards to the card I'm referencing, Kelly appears to be in a uniform, but the photo is a closeup so you can't tell who's uniform it is. The back of the card doesn't help since it mentions Boston and Cincinnati in the text but shows Chicago on the stat line. As a Chicago Cub collector, I'm wondering if I need to add this one to my collection or not. I'm thinking yes for no other reason than it gives me an excuse to buy another card. Still, the way the card is listed here, Cub fans not familiar with pre 1900's players wouldn't know to pick up the card if it's left as it currently is or if all team names are removed. |
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kcjays
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| Thursday, October 9, 2014 11:55 AM | |
Baseball Reference credits Kelly as playing for the Chicago White Stockings, not the Cubs. I don't know if that makes a difference for you or not. Far be it from me to talk anyone out of buying a baseball card though. |
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Kirk
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| Thursday, October 9, 2014 1:15 PM | |
The Chicago Cubs were the White Stockings in the 1800's when King Kelly played for them. The Cubs didn't adopt the Cub nickname until 1907. |
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kcjays
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| Friday, October 10, 2014 5:09 PM | |
I didn't realize that. Thanks for the history lesson. |
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Celticwolfco
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| Monday, November 3, 2014 12:31 AM | |
There's a pretty high likelyhood that it's a Boston Braves uniform, but not 100%. I've seen several cards of his personally, and seen pictures of several others, and every card of his I've seen has been in a Boston uniform, but that doesn't mean there aren't cards out there from other teams as well. |
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