Buy/Sell/Trade Forum

One of the tricky things to me about trading is that when I propose a trade, I often tell a trader (not always I confess) that I haven't pulled the cards but wonder if they are interested in making a trade. I then might say, "Before you confirm can you let me know and I will pull cards to make sure I have them all." Depending on the trade this does, or does not happen. Then I'm stuck offering cards that I didn't actually have (my fault but I'm sure we have all done it). So all that preamble to ask, do we think it would be worth proposing another level to trading that is  "propose", "counter/accept", "confirm and accept" before the trade becomes official? Or do I just need to do my trading better/differently?

I've started to ask that before they accept to let me pull cards and several times It's allowed me to catch cards not in my trade box and modify the trade.

John H

I do the same on almost all of my trades and ask that the other side does the same yet many still hit the Accept before doing so and then end up telling me that some cards are missing- what do I want instead. I will add though that more and more, I see this becoming a standard practice for many which I applaud.

I can visualize a confirm option that would be an additional level of communication, however, the assumption is that they'll have actually confirmed the offer.

Whenever I've sent offers without confirming I have what I'm offering, I generally write a note in bold print within the transaction message asking the potential partner to not accept until I've confirmed each card. I try to only do that when I'm in a hurry, especially for a card I've targeted as a prime focus, but I prefer to have checked before making an official offer.

I don't really want any more steps to the trade process applied to all trades.

I do agree that the message area is best to communicate if we have pulled cards or not. 

It is a shame if the other member does not read or ignores the comment,  but some may be new to the process or hit the wrong option in error 

Mark 

I have run into the issue multiple times recently where a trader does not tell me to wait to accept a trade, I accept, and then they don't have the cards and tell me that they did not accept the trade they proposed.  Some people seem to think that this extra confirmation step already exists, since they can select "Accept" on their end as the proposer after I accept the trade, they don't realize that by proposing, they have basically already accepted.  The system does not have a good way to clean that up easily when they don't have cards and start substituting.  It can be delt with, but just complicates things unnecessarily and increases the chance of a miscommunication.

If it is a small trade, or someone I have traded with before, I basically always pull cards before I propose.  If it is a new trader for me, or a very large trade where there will be a lot of back and forth I have asked them not to accept, although usually when I do that, I will throw in something that really skews the trade in my favor, and tell them to remove that card in a counter, as I just put it in to prevent a premature acceptance.

That's a smart move, your last paragraph. 

I tend to agree that an extra step just is a hassle. I used to pull every time before I proposed but then I got such a stack of pulled cards that never went anywhere that the disorganization got frustrating. Hassle to pull and then put back. I guess I could look and not actually pull them out. Thanks for chiming in everyone. 

Yes!!  it is tricky and things do happen.     I had one trade that was proposed to me.   A one card for one card.   I accepted and had it in the mail before he contacted me and told me he could not find my card the next day.

I understand why a person does not want to pull cards when it is a large number of cards involved on both sides.    I have done it and then miss placed them when putting them back or forget to put them back and do not look at the piles setting on the deck and told the next trader I could not find them or removed them from my FS/FT list.

So   You make an offer to me.   I accept it     You confirm you have them all       then I confirm that I have all of them.    As I do not want to pull them until I know you have all of the cards I want.  OR we just communicate with each other to work out any issues of missing cards or before large trades.  

Maybe we should have the following:

"propose",

"propose and confirmed"

"accept"

Accept and confirmed"

"counter"

"counter and confirmed"

I have had members Accept it after I have Accepted it from their Proposed offer.

Yes!!   I think there should be a better way to correct trades when a card is missing or other issues.  Maybe a Correction button that allows the traders to make corrections.   A do over. 

Though it is a little time consuming, I started doing the "look and verify I have them but not pull" method prior to sending a proposal. Also lets me verify if VAR's are the ones listed. It has saved me allot of "sorry but I couldn't find........" emails

I would vote for this as a new feature.  If you're the recipient of a trade proposal you have an opportunity to check the cards before accepting, but if as the initiator, you do not.  I used to try and check before do so before proposing a trade, but after getting some rejections on my offers I no longer do unless I really question the condition of a card or my ability to find it.